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    mrstilly    May 15, 2010   Ithaca, NY

    There are a lot of related posts floating about, but I'm curious where the line is for you with your pet. Under what circumstances would you give up your pet?

    I had a dog, Marley, that I adopted 5 years ago. He was 1 year old, and a beautiful golden colored shepherd/lab mix. Loyal, mild mannered and so well behaved. I rarely had an issue with him. He had been abused and then dumped in town, tied to a lamp post for 2+ days. He was a day from being put down when I came by.

    We have dealt with ticks since we moved into our home. Our back yard borders a large forested area and the apple trees in our yard attract deers and other animals. Lyme Disease is very prevalent in our area, and despite monthly medication, Marley was still tracking ticks into our house. We combed through him every time he came back inside. Fencing our yard to keep animals out was not financially possible, nor was treating our yard with pesticides to kill the ticks. And using pesticides in our yard when we have a small child was not something I was willing to do. We dealt with it unti I saw a tick an inch from my son. My dog had laid down on the bath mat and I was bathing my son. That was the last straw. He stayed at my inlaws that night, and then my grandmother agreed to take him in permanently, to live a spoiled life with her other dog. I would never be able to forgive myself if m son got sick because I refused to give up my dog.

    Where is your line? How much in medical bills would you/could you pay? Would you risk your relationship with your significant other or your/your family's health? Is your dog biting someone/a family member/your child where you draw the line?

    I know that pets are wonderful and I consider Marley to be a member of our family. They are a responsibility and should never be given up without a second thought.  I just would not chose a pet at the risk of my relationship with my husband or the health of myself or my family.

    My intent is not to get people riled up, but to (calmly) see other people's points of view.

     
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    regberadaisy    August 14, 2010  

    I think my line is similar to yours. If the welfare of my child got threatened that's where the line would be.

    We would exhaust every option, including financially before giving her up though. We've already had to deal with crazy medical bills with her the first 2-3 years of her life. She had demodex mange when she was born and it took almost 3 years of monthly visits to get rid of it. And thousands and thousands of dollars. Till now she still has allergies that are an issue. Money would not be a factor for us to give up our pup. Yes, we would go into debt for her just like we would for our baby.

    But I don't think I could ever give her up to a stranger or to the SPCA or anything.

     
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    mrstilly    May 15, 2010   Ithaca, NY

    I wouldn't go into debt for a pet. It might seem harsh, but I don't view my pet as a child. I would definitely pay substantial medical bills, but there would be a point at which we would have to say no.

    I don't think I'd ever give a pet to a kill-shelter, but if I exhausted other options, I would go to a rescue or a shelter.

     
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    stardustintheeyes    September 20, 2013   Chicago

    @mrstilly: my thinking is very similar to yours. My dogs are very important to me but not more important to me than my real human family or people I love. I wouldnt say its that I love them less but I love them in a different way. In my mind the two just dont compare.

     
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    MissCallieJean       NY

    My SO knew how much I love my pets before he started dating me. If he didn't like it he needed to let me know before we got serious. So if he just didn't like the smell, that's too damn bad. I hate the smell of garlic but he continues to use his hands to smash it up when he cooks. I'm not going to leave him for that. That's stupid.

    only serious health risks. Even then I would try my best to find a family member that I trusted to take them.

     
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    regberadaisy    August 14, 2010  

    @mrstilly:

    Like you said in your original post. The line is different for everyone. For us our pup IS our family and our child. So for us we will go into debt for our pup.

    I know many people will not and that's fine. The line is different for everyone. That's why my husband and I are really really glad that we adopted her and not the family in front of us. They had 2 young girls and I highly doubt they would have been able to stick it out for 3 years with her demodex mange and the bills. And the time it took to train her. They likely would have given her back and she would have been another older, rambunctious "pit bull" at a shelter.

    ETA: And I just want to say that's why no matter how well behaved you *think* your do is you should never leave them alone with your child! Our pup literally would not hurt a fly. But she thinks she's a freaking chihuahua when she's a 65lb pit bull mix! So she could unintentionally hurt a child.

     
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    TinyTina    June 2012   Albany, NY

    @mrstilly:

    @regberadaisy:

    I can agree with that. Unless the animal is endangering the welfare of a family member I would exhaust every option. My parents had a nasty cat when I was young. They eventually got rid of it when the cat scratched my brother (he was 1 yr old) right across the face without being provoked (my brother was not even LOOKING at the cat, it's not like he was pulling its tail or something). They didn't want to get rid of the cat, but the welfare of their child was in danger and they needed to do what was right for their kids.

    We ended up getting cats again when we were older and they were totally destructive (destroyed all of our furniture, tore the wall paper off our walls, etc) but they never hurt us so my parents kept them til the bitter end. :)

     
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    Future MrsB    May 27, 2012   Live outside Boston, Wedding in Saratoga NY

    To me, my dog is a part of my family.  By adopting her, I agreed to take care of her and provide her the best life I can.  I love her and I will go the extra mile for her every time.  But I did recently have a friend who's dog bit her baby, unprovoked.  In those kind of circumstances I think the only thing to do is rehome the dog.  They are a danger to kids, and also are stressed out in their home environment (hence the bite). 

    With the tick situation, I'm not familiar with how that works.  IDK if there's anything more to be done about the yard or your dog.  Different medications?  Not letting the dog roam free? But if you've exhausted every possibility, then yes you have to keep your son safe.

     
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    stardustintheeyes    September 20, 2013   Chicago

    @MissCallieJean: I think thats a good way to look at it. If someone i dated was that into their pets and I knew that than I wouldnt get serious. that can work both ways and its a very good point. For those that have that menality toward their pets and say that they would never date someone who either didnt love animals just as much or wasnt accepting of the love they had for their animals there are also those that could say that they wouldnt date someone who had that type of attachment. Im one of those people and while i wouldnt date someone who was cruel or cold or harmful to animals I wouldnt be able to date someone who would choose their pet over me. Im pretty respectful of everyone's feelings on this but I think its good to point out the flip side to things sometimes :)

     
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    jo.lee    September 10, 2011   Indianapolis

    @mrstilly: Mine lines would be like yours, too. I wouldn't go into debt, and I wouldn't risk my partner or my (hypothetical) kids.

    Not going into debt is precisely why we're waiting to get a pet. I really want a dog, but if something went wrong we couldn't afford to have it fixed :(. Maybe in a few years, though, we'll be in a better position.

     
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    KristenGotMarried    May 19, 2012   The Cbus

    I would not keep a pet if asthma or allergies prevented a comfortable life in my own house (my health or my fiance's), if it forced us into debt, or if we had to take wack hour jobs to pay the bills and the pet ended up caged for 12+ hours a day.  In that case I would find a friend or family member who could take the pet until we could get our schedule together again and take it back, but still. 

     
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    TinyTina    June 2012   Albany, NY

    @jo.lee:I wouldn't go into debt either.. We waited a loooong time to get our cat to make sure we could afford and we now have enough "emergency funds" stashed away that we feel safe if something happens to her.

     
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    regberadaisy    August 14, 2010  

    @stardustintheeyes:

    I wouldn't be able to date someone who would choose their pet over me.

    Absolutely! My husband and I both love our pup like crazy. Yes, we're crazy! But you bet we come first to each other. And when baby comes baby will be first then each other then pup. No doubt.

    I think perhaps what @MissCallieJean: was saying is it's hard for someone who is a avid pet lover to date someone who is clearly not a pet lover. Or who does not have the same pet "mentality" as you. There are people out there who think dogs/cats are just animals and it's silly to love them.

     
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    TinyTina    June 2012   Albany, NY

    @stardustintheeyes: I totally see what your saying, but I think part of the reason I love my FI so much is because he such a huge cat lover!! And now that I think about it, every significant relationship I've had, the dude has been a huge cat lover! I think that is just what I am attracted too!!

     
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    MissCallieJean       NY

    @stardustintheeyes: I think we already do think that way before we get serious with someone. There are always dealbreakers. But for some reason no one ever thinks about pets as being dealbreakers. That's why so many animals are dumped on the street or into shelters. It's sad.

    Sometimes animals are treated like objects to just be dumped off at a junkyard. It's not like a sports car that you have to get rid of to make room for baby. It's a living breathing animal and people need to truly think about it before the get a pet.

     
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    kimbo89    September 3, 2011   Stoke-on-trent, UK

    We had this issue with our dog a few years ago. He had always been grumpy,(he growled if you moved him or tried to get him to do something he didnt want to do)but it was always just hot air,and he would wag his tail at the same time. But once,my mums partner tried to tell him off for growling (it was usually best to ignore the dog and he would get over it and be all soppy soon after) and our dog snapped at him as a warning but just caught him with his gums. We were all really upset and considered having him put down,but he went on a trial period and never did it again.

    However,about 2 months ago we had to have him put to sleep as he had the doggy version of alzheimers,which the vet said could have contributed to him being a bit of a strange dog all of his life,but it just came to the forefront with his old age (17)

     
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    MrsRuby    June 2011  

    I dont have kids so my dogs are my kids lol.

    I have always said even if I were homeless my dogs are still coming with me lol I wouldnt give them up for any amount of money or prize in the world. They seriously mean that much to me.

    If it came down to medical issues and something happened to them , they were  suffering and a surgery wouldnt extend his life much\ it was gonna cost thousands; I would have him put down. I dont have any debt now except our house and im not going to get in over my head for a surgery given the circumstances it wouldnt help much...  (id prolly pay a bill up to 3K but that would be it!)

    any other issue: depends on what they were but I believe in exhausting ALL options before making any decisions about giving them up. I wish alot of ppl in the world didnt think pets were just objects and so disposable!

     
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    MissPumpkinPie    October 13, 2012   Jersey Shore

    My animals are and always will be like my children.  I only have a 5lb maltese right now, but I do plan to have another dog in the house in the long run.  Thankfully FI loves Satine just as much and she's hypoallergenic.  

    I would draw the line though if my child(ren) were in danger though - meaning Satine or another dog became viscious towards the child(ren).  

    But we won't have to worry about that for a few more years so I'll continue on babying Satine.  =)

     
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    quiche    May 2, 2009   Chicago

    By making the commitment to adopt our dog, we are in it for the long haul - financial, health, in/convenience, temperment, etc. 

     
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    kimbo89    September 3, 2011   Stoke-on-trent, UK

    @MrsRuby:it breaks my heart that some people can look into the eyes of an animal and have no compassion and treat them cruelly or unkind. It always amazes me how someone could ever hurt a puppy!

     
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    pinkshoes    July 2011   MA

    Is your dog treated with advantix or frontline?  If he is, then it should be fine to just let the ticks bite him, they will die when they bite before they can transmit lyme disease or anything.  It takes the tick at least 24-36 hours being latched to for it to transmit.  Ticks can also be anywhere in the yard, even just on grass.   We found this out the first day we brought our pup home.  He was getting a tick or two on him everytime we went out so we thought it was because we were taking him to the brushes to potty, so we just put him on the grass and he was STILL getting them.  So even if your dog is not around, I think if you plan to let your child out into the yard, he is still exposed to picking up ticks.  I think the safest thing to do in an area like that is not to get rid of the dog, but to get in the habit of checking everyone when they come back from being outside for ticks.  Even before we got the puppy, after anytime my husband and/or I were out in the yard doing yard work, we'd do a tick check when we came back inside. 

     
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    PurpleUnicorn    April 19, 2011  

    I am not sure if i will know my line until i get there. and i know i might be in a situation one day where i will  have to figure out what to do because I have a very aggressive cat. I got her as an abondaned kitten so who knows what happened to her beforewe found her to make her this way. Thing is, she is an angel with me and DH. Although we also know her very well and when to approach and not approach and how to approach her.  But essentially, all our friends and family are terrified of her, hate her, and don't understand why we keep her.  I simply reply  "would you give up your child if he was aggressive or had behavioral problems?!".   Different friends of mine who have never met each other have independently referred to my cat as "the devil".  And when we have people over, we have to lock her in our bedroom (with water and litter of course).  I remember when i had to leave her at the vet overnight to get fixed, when i picked her up the next day, her cage had been labelled as "aggressive" - it broke my heart. Because to me, she is my baby and i knew she must have been terrified there. 

    So the dilemma will be when we actually have a baby one day.  Like others have said, i will exhaust every option because as much as i know i will love my baby, i just cannot imagine loving my cat any less and able to give her up.  I will consider declawing her (which would the last of the last resort options), and medication to calm her, before we give her up.   Also, another reason i think i know i will have to do one of those things is because i would have no one to give her too!  No one, and i mean no one, would ever take her in for us.  And i could NEVER give her to a shelter.  So, basically we are just going to have to find a way to keep our kids safe until they learn how to handle her.  

    I also have hope that once we get a house, we can maybe let our cat go outdoors and let out her aggression by running outside and maybe she will calm down as she gets older.....but i have had her for 4 years now and she has not gotten better with other people at all.  For the most part its ok, because we don't have people over everyday or anything.  

    As for going "into debt", i never even considered that as something to consider.  of course i spend whatever money is necessary to care for her.  I had a dog for 16 years that towards the end of her life, i was constantly racking up vet bills, but i didn't blink an eye about it. No brainer for me i guess.

     
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    shyviolette    October 2012  

    FI and I don't plan on having children, so pets and children are not a problem for us.

    I've never had to deal with crazy medical issues when it came to a pet, but last year FI and I adopted a dog who had been abandoned by his family. He was dirty, terrified, and completely unsocialized. He didn't know how to play. I gave him a ton of toys and he just looked at them and had no idea what to do with them! Poor guy. His family had kept him chained outside year-round without so much as a dog house the entire time they had him. So this poor dog was out in the cold, heat, rain, snow, thunderstorms, ect. with no shelter. It was clear he had never been bathed, either.

    When we got him he had some fairly serious food aggression problems because he probably had to defend his food from wild animals like raccoons and the like before we adopted him. Overall he was healthy, but hard to deal with because he would get scared and snap at you if you petted him the wrong way or tried to take something away from him that he was chewing on and wasn't supposed to be chewing on. We eventually did socialize him and he turned into a wonderful, friendly, and good natured little pooch.

    The problem we ran into with him though was that our cat, whom we had for 5 years already DID NOT like him. She always got along with dogs, so we thought it would be okay. She was freaked out, but we thought she just needed time to warm up to him... but it wasn't happening. She was very distraught, not eating and losing too much weight, her fur was getting matted, which never happens, and she just wasn't herself at all. She's a timid cat because she too had a bad past, but she would always love to come up and be petted on the couch; she quit doing that and stayed hiding under the bed a lot of the time. We gave it 6 months and then decided that we had to find him a new home.

    It was a really hard decision to make, and I still feel so bad about it, and miss him like crazy. We did find a great newlywed couple looking to adopt a dog though, and they have a great relationship with him. They send us pictures, video, and updates every so often to let us know how he's doing, which makes me feel so great. I'm sad it didn't work out, but we had our cat first, and it wasn't fair to have her so stressed out. I look at it this way: We took in and socialized a dog that almost nobody would have wanted to bother with, and got him ready for a great home where he is loved just as much as we loved him. 

    I would do everything I could to make sure my pet was healthy and able to continue living with me.

     
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    Jeannine @ Small Chic    June 1, 2012   Virginia

    I feel that it is my duty to care for an nuture any innocent creatures I take in.  I've always felt that way.  I guess I have a caretaker's gene or something like that.  :)

    So, I would pretty much do anything to care for my dog.  That's what I signed up for when I got him.  I had to spend about $3,000 on an emergency surgery when he was 11 weeks old (I had literally just gotten him), but I was happy to do it. 

     

    FWIW, if the backyard is infested with ticks, just don't have the dog back there.  You can exercise him just fine with a leash and walks around the neighborhood.  In fact, that's probably better for him than just hanging out in the yard.

     
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    MrsMaine    May 29, 2011   Boston, MA

    DH and I went into almost 20K of debt saving our dog's life after he was born with a fatal liver condition. About 10K came from our savings, and another 10K was put on CC's. So I guess my line is way past that!

     
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    mrstilly    May 15, 2010   Ithaca, NY

    @pinkshoes: We treated him with both at different times to try to stop the ticks. This is the 7th one we've found in the house in the last year. We've found dozens on him in that same time, and despite the highest dose of tick meds for his size, a dozen or so have still bit him and been full of blood when I've gotten them off him. This one  was carried in and dropped into our bathmat very much alive. 

    I do realize that we'll have to watch for ticks when we are outside playing, but knowing that they are in our house and could bite any of us at any time is not okay with me.

    Two of my husbands aunts are almost completely incapacitated due to complications of Lyme Disease. I know a friend who was bit, and soon after her son was and they are both having medical issues from it. I can be cautious and on the look out when we are outside, but I can't live having to constantly be searching him over even when we are playing inside.

     
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    mrstilly    May 15, 2010   Ithaca, NY

    @Jeannine: We didn't leave him out there unsupervised, unless it was a quick dash inside to get something. He always stayed in our yard. We live on a busy road outside of town. There is no "neighborhood" for us. He will not fetch or play games either. He roams the backyard while we are outside. We have a run up when we can't be out there with him and for some days in the winter when it's too cold or only one of us is home and has to stay inside with our infant son. We don't have a lot of options for exercising him out of using our backyard. And he has to pee somewhere, even when we aren't out there for exercise/playtime.

     
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    MrsStormy    February 26, 2011   Northern California

    I agree with most pp's, I would exhaust every option before rehoming my pets (I would not take it to a kill animal shelter ever, and I would try to find a home for it myself with someone I love who I know would love it before I would take it to a rescue or no kill shelter). I would not want to go into debt over my pet, however TBH I don't know that I wouldn't, we haven't been put in that situation yet, I do hope to avoid debt due to health issues and such and thats why we got puppy insurance.

     

     
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    MrsWrangler    October 2, 2010   Florida

    @quiche: Agreed.  Once you adopt a pet, it's your responsibility and shouldn't be taken lightly. I hate to see my friends dump their pets once they have kids. And I feel I can say this pretty legitimately cause my cat is a monster who tears up the furniture and thinks she's playing when she jump attacks us at random times, but I committed to taking care of her even on her bad days. I can't imagine giving her away.

    @PurpleUnicorn: My cat is 3 and sounds exactly like yours... we've kind of determined that she's so afraid of other people that she acts out when they're around. She won't attack people who come in if they leave her alone but if they walk towards her or to another room she freaks out. It's heartbreaking for me cause my family and friends hate her but she's not so much mean as she's just scared of them.

     
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    stardustintheeyes    September 20, 2013   Chicago

    @TinyTina: see but thats how it should be! :) for those with a love for animals they should find someone that is on the same page or who is accepting and supportive of that.

     
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    sdrury89    March 10, 2012   Houston, TX

    Like other posters, our dogs are our kids. We have insurance on them, so that does help with some medical bills that come about, but we've also spent several thousands of dollars on our puppy due to allergies, a parasite he got from the dog park, and currently he's at the vet and we can' figure out what is wrong with him since we haven't been able to go 30 days without him being seriously ill to add to our pet insurance.

    We don't currently have kids, but our dogs have all been socialized around kids of all ages and are excellent around them. When we do have children, our dogs will have plenty of time to acclimate to the kids and we won't be getting rid of the dogs because of baby. That actually infuriates me. FI and I both volunteer with local rescue groups, and we see a lot of people giving up dogs for rediculous reasons. 

     
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    Mrs.KMM    July 17, 2010   Atlanta, GA (wedding in Indianapolis, IN)

    @quiche: "By making the commitment to adopt our dog, we are in it for the long haul - financial, health, in/convenience, temperment, etc."

    Agreed.  The only way I would give up a pet is if they became vicious and a danger to those around them AND every avenue had been pursued to deal with it without success.

     
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    Treejewel19    May 18, 2012   Sonoma County, CA

    @regberadaisy: Agreed, debt wouldn't be an issue for the health and welfare of our pet. Again as an avid pet lover I consider my pups to be my four-legged children so there isn't much that would convince me to rehome them.

    I do agree with the PP that if for some reason my pups were endangering the welfare of my family then perhaps that would be a reason to look for alternatives.

    My FBIL has a pit bull that is and has ALWAYS BEEN very agressive and has a county record of attacking other dogs within the area as well as biting him severely on both hands when he tried to break up a fight. Needless to say I myself am not comfortable around the dog it is far too agressive and tries everything it can to get out and attack. They have tried behavioural changes and training and it hasn't worked so I would say in this situation, especially as they now have a baby, that I feel action needs to be taken.

     

     
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    pinkshoes    July 2011   MA

    @mrstilly:  oh wow.  I think my line is drawn at my sanity and safty of the human members of the family.  I know a lot of people have the mentality of pets are (like) family, but for me, I'm just not quite there.  if at any point I felt the well being of my children was questionable because of a pet, I'm sorry, but the pet has to go, especially if the risk factor for lyme is so high in the area.

     
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    PurpleUnicorn    April 19, 2011  

    @MrsWrangler:  yup that is EXACTLY how we see our cat too.  I tell my friends the best way to handle being around her is to IGNORE her!  But there are times when they are like "we didn't do anything and she hissed at me!" But i know in my cat's mind, they did do somethig, whether it was just move in her general direction or what not. We actually think anxiety meds would be good for her, but haven't looked into it yet because like i said, its not everyday we have people over.  And when we do, we put in her our bedroom where SHE is happy and so are our guests.  When we have a baby though, it might be a different scenario.

     
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    Genuine513    June 29, 2012   BC, Canada

    @mrstilly: @stardustintheeyes: KristenGettingMarried: I agree with all of you.

    The one thing that ticks me off are people that believe they are the only ones in the world who can take care of their pets and that anybody else in the world would just abuse them. Yes there are tons of horrible homes out there but there are also tons of wonderful perfect homes too and it is selfish to believe any different.

    I had to sell my horse last year due to financial reasons, I had him 8 years, it broke my heart, I cried for weeks, but I made sure he went to a loving home where is spoiled and cared for, does that make me a horrible owner, No. I adopted my rabbit from a family that no longer had room for him, he came from a loving family and they made sure he went to a good home, does that make them horrible owners, No.

    While I understand that it is important to do everything you can to take care of your pets you can't predict the future. To say if you ended up homeless you would still take your pets with you, how is that fair to your pets when they could be with another family in a home that loves them just as much as you do.  Or if your job changes and you now are gone all day long, is it fair to leave your dog locked up all day instead of finding another home where he could play all day. People don't give animals enough credit for adjusting to life changes. Yes moving to a new home is stressful but they will adjust to it and move on, it is people who dwell on the past.

    To say that everyone who gives away a pet is a horrible pet owner is just rude, you don't know their circumstances, you don't know how many options have exhausted, and you don't know how hard it on them emotionally to make that decision. I volunteer at a minature horse rescue, so yes I see the horrible abuse and negelect that happens, but as fast as these horses come in there are just as many people with wonderful homes lining up to adopt them. They have had 80 horses go through there rescue in the just two years, some abused, some negelected, some surrendered by owners that just couldn't keep them anymore, they have all found wonderful new homes, have a little faith in people.

     
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    abbyful    June 7, 2011   Kansas City

    I'm very much a beleiver that a pet is a lifelong committment.

    It would take A LOT for me to give up one of my pets. I would thoroughly exhaust all options first (professional trainers if the dog has behavior problems; if the dog has a health problem I would spend quite a lot to help them, unless the dog's quality of life was low and the dog was in constant pain).

    As far as ticks, that's not a reason I personally would give up a pet; it's a very-low-risk and temporary problem. Dog ticks don't carry Lyme, that's deer ticks. And if your dog is picking up ticks outside, humans can pick them up just as easily from being outside. I grew up in the country; every night during the summer, my parents would do "tick checks" on my sister and I.

     
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    mrstilly    May 15, 2010   Ithaca, NY

    @Genuine513: I really agree with what you're saying. Finding a good home for a pet you are no longer able to take care of, for whatever reason, IS taking responsibility for that animal. Dumping them outside or at a kill shelter is not. It is unfortunate that some people do not think about the committment needed before getting a pet and then are later unable or unwilling to continue to take care of them. Especially when the circumstances you are in don't change that much or were able to be predicted ahead of time. It is a committment and should be taken seriously. Dogs especially need a lot of exercise and time, and so many people want a pet only when it's convenient and to heck with the other times/days when it's not.

     
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    Genuine513    June 29, 2012   BC, Canada

    I agree that dumbing in a shelter is incredibly wrong, but even still you don't always know the reason behind it.

     
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    hotchildinthecity    June 12, 2010   New York, NY

    The only thing I can even remotely think of, is if my (future) child had an extreme/untreatable allergy.  And in that case, my sister would take my cats.  I would absolutely never bring them to a shelter.  By the time I have kids, they would be older, and would not be the greatest candidates for adoption. 

    This goes both ways...I have agreed to take my sister's cat if such a thing ever happened.

     

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