Post # 1
I just saw a posting on here with pictures of a Ketubah and there is a spot for a Rabbi to sign.
First) When is the Ketubah signed? Before, During or After the ceremony?
Second) I’m Catholic and after discussing with my Fiance we are planning on having a Minister officiate (he’s afraid a Rabbi (Non-traditional or not) will question his lack of participation in his faith.. hehe). Anyway, if we have a Minister can he sign the Ketubah? Or should we not have any kind of officiant (just witnesses) sign it??
I was thinking about posting this on the Interfaith board, but I feel the Jewish Bees will know more about this.
Post # 3
We’re having our two close friends who are officiating sign it as witnesses. Who can do it depends on the branch of Judaism, but in reform Judaism, it’s generally two witnesses (male or female) who are unrelated to the couple and are Jewish. Some ketubahs have spots for the rabbi, but that’s not required. In more conservative branches, the witnesses have to be men. We’re signing ours at the end of the ceremony, but I don’t know the real “rules” for that.
Given that you have a minister officiating, I’d just have witnesses sign it….the minister might feel a little awkward doing it. Hope that helps!
Post # 4
Traditionally, the only people who have to sign it are the witnesses–not even the bride or groom have to sign. However, when you are having an interfaith ceremony, you’re obviously going to have to modify the traditions anyway, so do it how you want.
Post # 5
Forget the ketubah, if both are not jewish it is meaningless!
But if both were it is signed immediately bfore and at minimum it includes the rabbi and witnesses. Many ahve a place for bride and groom as well.
Post # 6
when you find a ketubah that you like the artwork of, contact the seller by phone or email and ask about customizing the text to have just the two witnesses.
A traditional ketubah is in Aramaic and is a prenuptial agreement that the bride presents to the groom and then he accepts, as witnessed by the two Jewish men who are unrelated to the bride or groom.
The part where the bride/groom/rabbi sign is modern and usually directly after some flowery English that is thematically related to the Aramaic, but not at all a translation.
Modern ketubot/ketubahs can be whatever you want them to be. Not to be a sales person, but ketubah.com has a huge selection of artists who mass produce ketubot, as well as a large selection of texts. You can select one that both you and your fiance are comfortable with representing your union on paper.
Since you’re Catholic and the ceremony is being officiated by a priest, I suggest looking at the Interfaith texts. Most other texts are going to talk about keeping a Jewish home, and my understanding is that you can’t be married in a Catholic church without committing to raising your children Catholic, which would go against what you’d be signing in most ketubot. I might be wrong, since I’m obviously not Catholic myself. Maybe once you find a text/artist that you like, you should bring it to your priest and make sure that it’s something that he would be comfortable signing, since the ketubah is also a sort of wedding contract (from way back when, before the gov’t regulated these things).
Post # 7
Just echoing other sentiments – usually, the only folks to sign are the witnesses to make it valid, though the bride and groom usually do (for non-Orthodox weddings). However, since the marriage will be interfaith, you can set things up as you like as it’ll be more of something that’s meaningful to you, but not binding by Jewish law. You can add and have as many folks sign, depending on what artwork you pick out; I wouldn’t have more than maybe four, if you wanted to give out honors. GL.