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Ok. I have noticed that people on here ask for comments about everything, from material aspects of the wedding to emotional aspects of the relationship. But when it comes to rings, people are so touchy. A lot of people let their advice go freely with the other stuff (sometimes a lot more important) everything from, "I think you should reconsider your relationship" to, "yes, I do think $10,000 is too much to spend on a venue that is almost as nice as the one that is $10,000 more." But everyone FREAKS OUT about rings. I think it is so, so, so, so, so, so, so sad when I long on and see a post that is, "Oh, I guess I just feel my ring is small." (none of these are actual quotes-- I didn't want to throw anyone under the bus-- and there is too many examples to use). And I hate when so many of the bees say things like "It is a small diamond but it sparkles so much! It is the BEST color, cut, and clarity you can buy." WHO CARE IF IT IS SMALL. ugh, I guess I am just so sick of rings being so important.
First, we have the same wedding date.. YAY!!
Second, I feel you on that. I think it's awesome if your FI can afford to get you a ring at all. I don't feel it's the most important part of the engagement. And it is sad when some brides to be feel their ring isn't as good or could be better. Just be happy with what ya got!
I don't think the ring is the most important thing but I think everyone should have one they love. In my case I do love my ring and I actually picked it out myself, the doubts come from not having tried on different diamond cuts, settings, etc. I just needed a little reinforcement.
I don't think it's sad for people to be concerned about loving their ring. It's something you have to wear the rest of your life and you should be happy about it.
Amen to that! Engagement rings have the unfortunate tendency to be status symbols rather than a symbol of the relationship. I think a lot of girls who have "small" rings or non-diamond rings feel pressured to defend them, as if their relationship isn't good if the ring isn't accepted. It's sad. :(
Seconding Minutiae, yes, engagement rings are often status symbols and stand-ins for wealth. Thus, the social pressure to defend... unfortunately.
Stewie-First off, you have to understand, some girls come here just to vent about things that in reality, may just be minor frustrations, but they don't feel comfortable telling people they actually 'know'. So although some girls may come here saying 'I feel like the ring is small' and it might sound superficial, I kind of doubt that they reallly really feel that bad about their ring.
Second, I really don't think that a girl saying 'I feel like my ring is too small' is the same as one saying 'the diamond is small but it is such great quality and it is so beautiful'. In fact, had you read many ring posts about diamind/stone size, you would have learned that many girls do in fact choose a smaller ring but of high quality on purpose, whether it be style preference, job, hand size etc. So try not to be too judgemental; you may be reading too much into some people's posts.
I do agree that some girls place too much importance on the ring, as if the type of ring their FI buys is a measure of his feelings for them....but you have to also look at the culture in the US. People are constantly bombarded with images of this celebrity's engagement ring, and that celebs wedding ring. So some girls just expect that they will get something very extravagent, w/out considering that said rings cost way more than the average guy can afford. it's the same reason many women now expect their proposal to be a total event, instead of an intimate question....it's just the culture right now....if that makes any sense at all.
I agree, and in all honesty I find it odd people said they thought ring prices should be so high... or that the ring is to small. Really, is this forum really full of that many so well-off people? Are these people responding who are even engaged?
They seem to have all these wants that are not so practical when it comes down to REAL family life.... So it makes me wonder is it about the man and life with him or the dream and want of a wedding and status?
IDK. I do think you need to love yoru ring, but don't think it needs to be a ridiculously priced one.
Now, I don't know anyone here personally to know thier situation, and I am not saying all who post here are like this.
I think people are misunderstanding that poll question from earlier. It was not asking what everyone's ring cost, it was asking what you would consider to be too much. I picked 10K+ but my ring definitely didn't cost anywhere near that!
I was so excited when I was given my e-ring! After the horrors of losing my only child, being dumped by my ex-sig other of 20 years and a long bout of depression, it seemed like a true miracle to find someone who loved me enough to ask me to marry him and give me a beautiful ring. Although small by SOME people's standards, it is beautiful and perfect and even over 18 months (and the wedding)later, I still look at it and smile. That ring will always remind me that there is HOPE even in the darkest of times.
When I showed the ring to people, most were so happy for me! But one or two people made snide remarks about its size. I just smiled and said that while it may look small to YOU, it looks perfect to ME and the love it represents is IMMENSE! I wouldn't trade my 1/2 ct. perfection for all the money in the world. I LOVE LOVE LOVE it!
ahhh lol... I went and looked. I glanced at that before I had my coffee ;) sorrry.
@almostduffy By that measure, nothing of a wedding is useful for what you call "REAL life," so why bother with any of it? Why do we have to begrudge people their fun and frivolities? If other people choose to spend their money on something, why does it matter to us? Why can't we be happy that they take pleasure in how they spend their money? Who cares if it isn't 'practical' or spent the way in which we would have? It's not our life; it's not our decision.
The tough thing about a comment board- just like an email- is that you really don't get the tone of the person posting. To be honest, I've sometimes read the "my diamond is small but it is excellent color, clarity, etc. and come away feeling like either its either an unnecessary defense of a diamond or that its impling someone with a larger diamond has a big diamond with not as good quality- but they might not have thought either thing while typing their comment. My perception could be based on how I'm feeling at the time and could be the furthest thing from what the poster intended, so I tend to just read the comment and make my own comment if I like.
Honestly...I have spent a lot & lot of years by myself, thinking that I was never going to find someone and I'd have to buy myself a diamond. I am just so thankful that this amazingly wonderful guy found me and chose to spend some of his hard earned money to give me a beautiful ring and ask me a question.
i think it's because a lot of people tend to for some reason have well formed opinions on how much you should spend on a ring, period. its not "you shouldnt spend 10k on a ring when you could get the same thing for 5k" but more of a "10k is too much to spend, period"
i think deep down almost all of us would like to have the biggest, most high quality ring we could have without going into debt. but we can't all afford it, if we could then it would no longer be worth anything or be a luxury. so people defend what they did get.
@stewie - I will pass along the same thing another lovely lady in the beehive told me not too long ago when there was drama on another board. Don't look at the ring boards (or whatever board) if you are just so sick of it. If rings are not important to you then why are you looking at the ring boards?
My ring is important to me. The cost of my ring did not even fit in the earlier poll and I make no apologies for it. I know for some it is really important that they get a ring period, or that they get the ring of their dreams - you need to do what is right for your relationship.
I also feel that lkbphmd is correct in that how you perceive statements on the boards has a lot to do with your feelings at the time. When I first got my ring and read statements like my ring may be small but it has great quality it made me feel like people thought larger diamonds didn't have good quality and I wanted to get on my soapbox and shout how my diamond is large and has excellent quality. But eventually I got over it and appreciated my ring for what is and realized that no matter if your ring is huge or microscopic that the person wearing feels the same kind of specialness that I feel when I am wearing mine.
For whatever reason, rings are very touchy subjects. It's the same in real-life too, not just on message boards and in online communities. I think it's bc it's such a personal choice with so much significance attached but everyone has a different opinion and idea of what is the best or prettiest ring...
Just a thought...
It bothers me alittle bit that on these boards were not supposed to be judgemental of girls who have tight budgets, but I feel there is a lot of judgement for girls who dont have a tight budget. If someone says they only have 5k to spend on their wedding no one should judge that. Its also should apply to girls who have a bigger budget. Who is anyone to say that anything over 10k on a ring is ridiculous and doesnt have a real family life. If people dont judge for girls not having tons of money for a ring or wedding, we also shouldnt judge if people have money to spend on rings and big weddings. This isnt the main topic of the post, but I was mainly responding to some of the comments made.
@dancer - I agree. I hope I didn't offend anyone. The internet is a hard place because you can't always get the proper tone across. I just feel like personally 10k+ on a ring would be too much, but I definitely don't judge those that feel differently! I think we all need to be a bit more accepting of all the different kinds of bees that contribute here :)
I think that this can be a cultural thing that has recently come into play...like some said..we are bombarded by women on tv and real life getting compliments on their rings...and it seems like to a lot of people the size is important. I have seen many times people giving compliments to ladies that have huge honckin rings...and many with smaller rings are overlooked. But the truth is...it shouldnt matter what other people will say...its how YOU feel about the ring. If you think your ring is too small...upgrade it later! Just do whatever you feel makes you happy...and if you LOVE your HUGE or SMALL ring AWESOME. Thats all that matters :)
I think everyone is defensive about things that are intensely personal to them, for example, a wedding dress is intensely personal, a ring intensely personal, waiting on a proposal intensely personal, with all these intensely personal items, there are always doubts, did you chose the right dress, did you chose the right ring, omg did he chose the right ring, are you sure you want to be married, i mean really sure, you're 29 years old and you've been in broken engagements and you want to be engaged and married again (okay the last part is just my thing).
one of my friend's rings was well into the 20,000s and guess what it was GORGEOUS!! (eta i don't think they need a qualifier so to speak nor does anyone need a qualifier on how much they spent on a ring no matter the cost, but all of their debt was paid, they owned their own home, etc) do i think it'll be more gorgeous than my ring that will probably be 1% of the cost, nah, that's her thing, mine will be just as gorgeous... after all it's all about the commitment whether it's a $25.00 commitment or a 25,0000 commitment, and i'm glad that her now husband could afford to give her what she dreamed of and actually i think he surpassed it. and i am glad that my M will be able to give me the ring that I dreamed of, too and will probably surpass it because he has already surpassed my expectations in a mate.
That's my take on it, but I'm usually happy go lucky about everything in life anyway and I don't think anyone is defensive and I agree that the tone in a typed post is not the tone in real life. Most of my posts have some type of sarcasm and I'm really lucky that everyone can read into the sarcasm without thinking i'm some kooky anal person.. tee hee well I am but :D...
I think some people feel the need to defend their rings because of the reaction they've had in real life. I know lots of commenters have mentioned people said unkind things about their ring. Especially regarding non-diamonds and size (both "too large" and "too small" comments). It's hard not to get defensive over something that is an important symbol to you!
I don't think Stewie meant any offense. It was just a simple question, ladies. ;) I think like everyone says, rings are now status symbols especially depending on where you live. NYC? Oh my goodness, you and your husband's worth is judged on that ring on your finger. But overall, I have had a friend ask a guy who was buying a (smaller) ring for a mutual friend "do think that is how much so-and-so is worth?". It is something that everyone gets insecure about that people really can do very little about. What is the first thing people ask when someone tells you they are engaged? First two things: how he proposed and lets see the ring. I am very happy with my ring. It is pretty by society's standards but I cannot honestly say that I would or would not be disappointed by a smaller/ less awesome ring. Because I do like keeping up with the Jones, I like that ladies want to try my ring on. That is me being very honest and materialistic.
As the creator of the "other" post which shall not be named...I have learned to tread lightly when it comes to any thread concerning e-rings....and I am only halfway joking. I am not sure exactly why, but it seems like posters are much more defensive in their responses to threads in general since the whole "waiting" fiasco.
My suggestion......everybody take a deep breath...and let out a calming bzzzzzzzzzzz...LOL
After all, tis the season...
Personally, I think whatever amount your FI spent on a ring is a decision made by him (or the person giving the ring) or both of you. The size of the stone shouldn't matter. But, I think since this is a place where women with large or small budgets come together, there will be ring envy/embarrassment/pride/resentment. You can't tell a person how to feel on the subject.
With that being said, I think we are in a time and a place, where people are taking a second look at finances. They see opulance, and may look down upon it or not think twice. But, this is also one of the first places I have seen that has celebrated a .25ct stone as much as a 5ct stone. Other sites or magazines I have seen, I have been hard pressed to find a ring that cost less than $10K. So, I guess, if you want more praise on having a larger stone, maybe The Knot or Martha Stewart is where you want to be?
I feel its a very nice balance here. I love seeing girls proud of what they have, no matter what the cost. I've seen the best of expensive and the best of inexpensive. And that makes me very happy and want to come back.
I think some people get defensive because the ring is often a huge reflection on the fiance. The wedding details all seem to be on the bride, but when the most common comment on an e-ring (that I've gotten) is "wow, he did great!" I think it starts to affect how you respond to it. We want our hubbies to have a good showing, and unfortunately our culture is very ring-oriented. I had some people ask to see my jewelry before even saying congrats.
You should never have to apologize for what you have on your hand, big or small. What matters is that you have a fiance who loves you and that you're happy to wear the symbol of that relationship.
I think people tend to get defensive naturally about anything personal to them. However, on some level, you have to be confident enough and trust in your own choices to try not to let everyone else make you feel that way
Wasn't it Eleanor Roosevelt who said that nobody can make you feel inferior without your own consent?
You just have to be confident in your OWN way and rock it. You know you love it, so poo on everyone else =]
Thanks ladies. I wasn't trying to judge anyone. In my post, I never said anything about how much is too much to spend. What I was curious about was the defensive tone and the feeling that justification of ring size is needed by some people on here. I guess it just make me sad, I will never understand since I don't have that conspicuous consumption mentality. I don't think I am coming across the way it sounds in my head, lol. I look at posts and see a beautiful ring, and a lot of the comments, of course, are "Wow!" and "So pretty," things like that. But then some are "It's HUGE!" and "Your ring's huge!" and I just laugh and shake my head. I never will understand.
Um, stewie, "conspicuous consumption mentality"??
Let's not go there.
Stewie it seems like you have this attitude because a big ring isnt important to your youre better than everyone else. So what if someone says its huge. Its just like saying some has a nice car, shoes, dress etc. They are all material things and its ok to make comments about them. Sure a marriage is not just about the ring, and sometimes people forget that. But dont act like people are shallow for commenting on rings or wanting valuing their engagement rings.
Um, cheerful, I just read that someone likes "keeping up with the Jones" (sic) so I was just commenting on how I see it.
I don't think I'm better than everyone else. It's just not the way I see things-- I was trying to understand.
Thanks ladies.
there are a lot of interesting posts here- I think we should all remember no matter how big how small, how expensive or cheap a ring is a SYMBOL of love, commitment and the union of two people. I don't think there should be any arguments here, whether you love or hate your ring you should love what it represents, and that alone is far more important than the ring itself.
Stewie: I understand the point you are trying to make, however you're not really using pertinent examples. Saying that someone's ring is 'huge' is just an observation. Some rings are huge. That is a fact. Just like if someone posted a pic of the Great Dane on here.....we would also say 'it's huge'. I fail to see how that is a bad thing.
And I agree with cheerful; saying that girls who want a big or expensive ring have a 'conspicuous consumption mentality' is condescending. Everyone has different priorities, and you should not look down on them just because they want something that you do not.
I think my ring is so important because everytime I look at it, I'm reminded of what my FI and I went through to get to the point where we could get engaged. While a lot of people fall in love over dinner dates, movies, ball games, quiet romantic moments, etc., my FI and I were falling in love over IMs, emails, hand written letters while he was in Iraq...I guess to me, my ring has a HUGE symbolic meaning of our relationship. To me, I could care less about the flowers, venues, other wedding "crap" (that's what I jokingly call it when talking to friends/family) because in 60 years, I highly doubt I'll even remember the details of the wedding....but I'll still have that pretty sparkly ring to look down at :)
I think Miss Yap made a very honest comment about being materialistic and nobody should make a comment that puts that down.
I'm sorry but aren't we ALL materialistic on SOME level?! I mean, really. I'll join her and say that I am. I like having a nice house and nice things.
It may not be the hosue or the ring...but don't we all have something nice that we really like that somehow brings us a little pleasure when someone Ooohs and Aaahs over it?
Even if it's something "lame" like your refrigerator? lol. Yes my new stainless steel appliances weren't 100% necessary, but lets' face it, I wanted NICE appliances. That is kind of materialistic, no?
My perspective is that virtually everything having to do with weddings is a "want," not a "need." When it comes down to brass tacks, the only wedding-related thing any of us NEED is ourselves, our fiances, and a legal official. But, we're all here talking about the aspects of weddings that are not strictly necessary, so I don't think we should begrudge each other the different "wants" it's possible to indulge in.
A large diamond is, to most people, an aesthetically pleasing and attractive thing. I don't think it's reflective of a "conspicuous consumption" mentality to compliment each other on the different aspects of our weddings--be it rings, dresses, flowers, or paper goods--on the qualities that make them attractive.
I think as long as you remember it's the man you fell in love with, not the ring he might get you....my ring is a simple eternity band that is small...but the love that I feel from my fiance and respect I have for him is all that matters to me...true love will out sparkle a ring anyday... : ) If someone is more concerned about their ring size or shine..maybe they should marry the ring and not the man...
I just don't really read any ring related posts because... to put it plainly .. i don't care lol.
i agree with other posters, people get sensitive about what is important to them personally. I don't care about other people's rings but there are other issues that I am more interested in, for sure.
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