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I don't want this thread to turn into an argument, so please respect each other's opinions when you post!
I have been reading a lot about vaccinations and I am wondering whether you will be doing the full vaccination work-up, partial vaccinations (pick and choose), delayed vaccinations (do them on a different schedule than your pediatrician recommends), or non-vaxing (you aren't giving your kids ANY vaccinations)?
Honestly, this is something I haven't given too much thought to yet. My first instinct is to say yes, I will vaccinate, and on a regular schedule. But I know there are some differing opinions on the subject and it's definitely something I feel like I should read up on so I can make an informed decision instead of just a knee jerk one.
We are skipping the Hep B vaccination because we feel it is unnecessary, but we'll be doing all others on schedule. There is no evidence that has convinced us that a delayed schedule is beneficial, and we feel strongly that vaccination is important.
I am with NorthernAzBride on this one. I (er...WE) will be vaccinating our child I just don't know to what extent yet. So it is better for me not to guess without doing the necessary research.
Great topic though!
What's the deal with vaccinations? Dont they have to have them for school anyways?
Are you talking vaccinations like, ya know, smallpox, polio, etc?
@ejs, I do believe most schools do require certain vaccinations before a child can enter the school.
This may change by the time I am having kids, but I plan on fully vaccinating our kids. I think they are beneficial and I haven't really seen anything that have convinced me that vaccinations are harmful. And since it will be a few years before kids are in the picture, I also haven't really read the latest research or anything.
I haven't given this issue tons of thought yet, as we're not to that point for a while but I guess I feel that I want my future child to be completely 'ready' for the world when it comes to vacs.
@ejs - There has been some talk that certain vaccinations/vaccinating your child could lead to giving your child autism. Nothing's been proven yet, but Jenny McCarthy (I'm pretty sure it's her) wrote a book about it.
Does anyone know of any books or articles out there explaining what vaccinations are given now a days and what they are for? I may find this info, interesting.
No intelligent input here, but I keep reading this as "will you wax your baby?" and I'm like wtf? hehehe ;o)
I voted delayed, but don't actually mean delayed, but rather spreading them out so it isn't so many at one time--there is some eveidence (though not conclusive) that for some kids, it can be too much for a little body. By spreading them out just a bit, you get all the vaccinations on time, it just takes more office visits. I haven't done enough research yet, but plan to do most if not all of the vaccinations--I need to look into it further.
From what I've read, the vaccine/autism link is pretty much complete bunk. And really, do you want to take medical advice from Jenny McCarthy?
I believe the deal with Vaccinations is that some DO still contain Mercury, and (even before Jenny) it started to come out that it was linked to Autism and other "mental" defects/retardations.
I think there was an issue with the Swine Flu vaccine for pregnant women as well. It was said to NOT contain Mercury but still had some, and many women suffered miscarriages within a week of recieving the vaccine. Of course, even though many had perfect healthy babies at the exam 24 hrs before hand there was "no link."
We're still 1-2 years from the possibility of a child, however, when the time comes I will be doing loads of research and making my own decision (with my husband to be, of course). In reading up on Fertility Awareness Method I'm already learning so much about how little we know about how our bodies work... (and I took Anatomy and all the upper Bio classes!). I can't even receive all the vaccines myself because most contain EGG which I'm allergic too. That being said, I have a double concern for my future children and how they tolerate shots.
I'm not there yet, but I will certainly be vaccinating my future baby... maybe on a delayed schedule, like nonimouse said, so that the poor baby isn't getting so many vaccines hitting his/her little body at one time.
@otb, just to be clear, there is zero scientific evidence supporting a link between vaccines and autism. There is a lot of hype out there, but none of it is scientific evidence, and yes, studies have been done. The confusion is that autistic behaviors tends to appear in small children at right around the age that they get vaccinated. But there is no evidence that one causes the other.
I think it's kinda funny how "jenny McCarthy" is being used as a reason to debunk scientific research when all she did was use her name to make it more public. She is not the one who came up with the idea of vaccinations causing Autism. She only made it more public because she is dealing with the effects personally in her own life.
There's also studies that show that diet can affect Autism. She tried it on her kid and it worked. A friend of mines ex had an autistic child and when they modified his diet he learned 20 words in that first week he had NEVER used before. A friend of mine has an "adult" brother with autism and so they never modified his diet because they didn't feel it would help... they finally did this year and his mood swings have dropped completely.
SO, that part of her book, I do believe. I have seen it first hand. Therefore, I will be doing my own research and if I continue to see links between Vaccinations and Autism or other issues I will look at how I can best protect my child from disease and mental disorders. But, I'm not going to let the "blond bimbo from MTV" dissuade me from looking at all the pieces of the puzzle :-)
@hotchild, I did that at first, too, but by the time i clicked on it i think id' realized vax=vaccinate. lol
I was just explaining to ejs what some of the hype I had heard regarding vaccinations for babies. Like I said in my post, I hadn't done a lot of research or anything on the issue since I am several years away from having a child. So while I have heard the Jenny McCarthy thing with vaccinations and autism, I have done zero research on the subject. I was just trying to point out what some of the hype is about, that's all.
I kinda wish I could remember correctly the names... but scientific research is essentially:
Recognizing a problem
Creating a hypothesis
performing experiment or collecting data
analysis
Statement of results/ is hypothesis right or wrong.
There has been research done on it, however, maybe not everyone's preferred method? Just like all things in life, One person could be extremely right wing telling left wing that they are killing society and the left wing is telling the right wing that they are killing society. So people may believe after study a link exists, some may not.
I'm not sure what I'll be doing, as I said above, I think people just need to make sure they do research first... educate themselves, and make an informed opinion... just like they hopefully do when they vote.
okay, I don't have a baby, but can I just say... every time Im skimming for new topics (yes, I'm being lazy and sitting home on WB today, haha), and skim over this one, EVERY TIME I think it reads "Will you wax your baby?" and EVERY TIME I do a double take and go "what the...?"
:) hahaha.... thanks for the laugh, girls, every time!
Regardless of whether or not its been proven, for me its better to be safe than sorry. It IS a possibiltiy that having too many vaccinations at once may cause them to interact with each other or cause damage to a new immune system-- it happens with medications all the time.
I dont see how delaying or spacing out vaccinations between office visits has a negative effect besides having to tote your kid to the doctor more often. I'm okay with that.
@KLP--you're right that Jenny McCarthy was promoting research that was done by others. However, by scientific standards, that research linking autism to vaccines was done really, really poorly. IIRC, it was a very small sample and the researcher may have even admitted making some of it up. The findings of a link have not been replicated in any subsequent study, and there have been many.
The diet thing is a whole other issue that I know nothing about, so I have no input there.
This issue touches me deeply, because I come from a family with high incidence of autism.
I honestly believe people who are pushing the supposed connection between autism and vaccines are misguided, and doing very real damage to attempts to find better treatments and knowledge of the causes.
I plan on doing pretty much vaccine I can get my hands on for my child. I grew up in the Air Force, and they are big into preventitive medicine, and I've also travelled extensively in the 3rd world, so I have everything but anthrax, it seems like. The 1 in a million chance of having a severe reaction (yes, everything always has risk) is totally outweighed, IMO, by the fact that I am protected from a wide range of diseases.
We'll be vaccinating on schedule, but using preservative-free vaccinations to avoid a lot of the "extras" that can come in vaccinations (like mecury). After talking with our parents about family medical history and researching the subject, I feel pretty confident in our decision.
I will fully vaccinate, though I’m sure when the time comes, I will read up more on the subject that what I’ve read so far (which is basically nil).
IMHO, I feel like this isn’t really a personal decision or a decision that I/we should make a judgment call on, or do based on what we “feel comfortable with”. I’m not a doctor or a medical expert, and that won’t change no matter how many books/journals I read. I trust that the vast majority of doctors strongly recommend vaccinations for a reason – they are the subject matter experts, I am not. Of course I want to be an informed parent, I guess I personally just don’t think being informed means my opinion should (or will) outweigh that of a professional held to legal, ethical and professional standards.
I used to be allergic to eggs when I was little, so I would like to allergy test my baby before vaccinating (if that’s possible) since some vaccines contain egg. But, I haven’t done any research about that either yet, as we’re several years away from babies!
LOL @hotchild, I read it as “wax” at first too!!!
@ejs: Schools do require vaxing, however there are laws permitting exemptions due to religious and health reasons (like allergies). Most non-vaxing moms claim religious reasons. There are actually a lot of children in public schools that have never been vaccinated. Private schools don't have to follow those laws, so most require vaxes.
we aren't talking about having kids yet, but i'm going to throw out a pro-vaccination argument: it's a public health risk to children who have suppressed immune systems to not vaccinate your child. i read this news article a few months back and it's really stuck with me: http://www.slate.com/id/2232977/
LMAO, "wax your baby" oh that sounds so bad!! LOL! I'll bet we get a lot of clicks just from reading it that way. Serves me right for trying to keep the title brief!
ejs...they do not nee dthem for school. That whole ordeal is a hoax to make parents believe they HAVE to vaccinate their children..there is no law in place saying they need to be vaccinated.
I voted partial, and I will definitely be doing research when the time comes.
I've never gotten the flu vaccine, and I've also never gotten the flu- so had I gotten vaccinations, they would have been unnecessary.
@ alisha
Can't speak for Colorado, but here in California, the California School Immunization Law, Cal. Health & Safety Code sections 120325 et seq., is no hoax.
@alishadhs4 - I just spoke about your comment with my boss and he agrees in that claim it as a "requirement" but they back down when a parent fights them on it since there is no law or the law (if exists) varies from state to state. I do know the kids need a clean bill of health before being accepted.
I'm still in waiting, but the BF and I have already talked about this, we do not want to vaccinate our kids. I wrote many research papers for school on this topic and the information I found is scary. We are hoping to homeschool our kids, so the school requirement is a non-issue.
@alisha - Not sure where you live, but New York most certainly does have laws requiring that students registering for post-secondary education provide proof of having been vaccinated. Exceptions are made for those who produce evidence of religious objection, but the law is on the book.
As a Pediatrics nurse this always seems to be a touchy subject. I understand the pros and cons but I have also seen the outbeak such as HIB which can be fatal returning due to children not being vaccinated. With the increase in immigration and people traveling worldwide, diseases are being brought back. I personally do feel some are unnecessary such as HEP A, not Hep B--this one is important as it is very common disease that is seen.
It is something you should research AND discuss with your pediatrician. I agree with a pp that said they want preserative free vaccines. However, if you have Medicaid or Caresource or no insurance and will be doing a government program, you do not have a choice. It is not common knowledge, but their vaccines, especially the Flu vaccine has Thimersol in them.
For the school requirements, they are required where I am at. I have seen kids kicked out of daycare and sent home from school until they received their checkup with vaccines or forms stating they've declined them for personal reasons. I will not touch the Jenny Mccarthy issue, I understand her personal struggle, however, I saw an interview and she had poor and at times wrong information and such a public figure that speaks out on something they have not educated themself fully on angers me.
Ah, well, I know i needed them, but I did go to school in california. I know I needed some for college, too. And some more before travel to India.
Seeing as how I plan to switch into medicine, NOT vaccinating my children seems like a bad idea with all the goodies I'll be exposed to myself, every day. Bringing them home? No thanks!
And I don't know that I"d trust a book by Jenny McCarthy, either. LOL. Maybe some medical journals, but a former Playboy? Maybe for laughs,but not for the source of my information =]
I will certainly wax my baby. Especially if it looks like this. 
Although I'd probably be more concerned that my child is so angry.
That is pretty darn funny! Thanks for helping me laugh! :)
I think I might be homeschooling my kids for the first couple years, I think that sometimes what kids go through in elementary school is so sad. I have a cousin who has been bullied ever since first grade, he's now in middle school and at a Christian Private school, and it's just as bad. I want to give my children love and care and support and raise them how I want them and teach them what I think is most important to me. When they're older, I'll let them make their own decision concerning schooling.
SO. the whole vaccinations required for school doesn't concern me, I will probably get only a couple - but definitely not all of them. And DEFINITELY not the flu shot. My reasoning is because there is so many preservatives and junk inside the vaccinations these days that I think it's causing people to get sick, even adults. My mom has been sick for four years because of what the vaccinations did to her, and she wasn't an unhealthy woman. It is so sad seeing your mom in bed for 15 hours everyday. I don't want to do that to my kids or to myself.
So, I voted no vax.
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