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The question of "how long is too long a wait" got me thinking. This is not my own personal situation at all, but I'm just curious what you ladies believe. Let's say that your SO was open and willing to build a home and start a family, but had made a final decision that he/she would rather not formally wed in his/her lifetime. If you were faced with a choice between staying with your current SO, forever committed but unmarried, or walking out and looking for a relationship in which you could become legally wed, what would you choose?
@izziebear:Marriage. I would not want to have children, build a home and give my very best to a boyfriend. No thanks.
I'd have stayed with DH even if he didn't want to get married formally. I think that once you've found your soul mate, it's stupid to walk away just because he/she doesn't want the legal commitment. Just my .02!
It depends on the reason why we couldn't get married. I'd be willing to "live in sin" as a lot of people think if I love somebody. That said, my Fiance would not.
I would have stayed with DH forever regardless of whether or not we got married. At one point we had even talked about not getting married just because we didnt really feel the need to. I love him, he is my rock and the person who loves, cares for me, supports me, encourages me and understands me the best - I would never give that up.
i would definitely choose marriage. but then I wouldn't live with my FI before marriage. . so it doesn't really apply.
@Soladylike: I agree with you. Call me old fashioned, but I don't think I would be building a life and a family with my man if he wasn't willing to fully commit. I know a lot of people who have had common law marraiges work, but that just wouldn't fly with me. I probably would have waited a couple more years if it took FI that long to propose, but I wouldn't buy a house or have children with someone I wasn't married to.
I would have stayed with DH whether or not he ever wanted to get formally "married", but I would hope that he has a good reason for resisting it.
I would not be comfortable having children without being married.
If your significant other says that they would NEVER be willing to be married in their lifetime haven't they already made the choice of priniciples over you? If someone was so unwilling to compromise for me, I wouldn't be able to compromise my beliefs on marriage for them.
i would want marriage. i love the mister dearly and would stay with him forever but i want a family and a home and to build a life with someone but i want that someone to be my husband, not my boyfriend.
Might I play devil's advocate here . . . if he knows marriage means a great deal to you (assuming that it does),he should be willing to bend this much for your relationship if he is interested in something life long with you. Furthermore, marriage does not mean you have to have more than a courthouse wedding.
If you were both against the idea of getting married, then why not.
My own personal feelings reflect what Soladylike posted. I would not want to do the children and the house without the legal commitment. As a matter of fact, I would not live with my boyfriend until he became my fiance and we set a date. Mind you, I am far from old fashioned, but I do not want to play house. I want the vows and the decisiveness in our relationship that I feel marriage should signify.
I would not be willing to share a home or build a family with a man that is not my husband. I need the legal commitment as well as the emotional one. If my FI (or BF) doesn't understand how important marriage is to me, then he is not the one. If he doesn't want the full legal commitment I certainly would be sharing property with him legally.
@Moose1209: That's the way I see it.
I understand that marriage is not important for some people, and I have friends who are happily shacked up with no plans to legally wed. But I have yet to hear a compelling enough reason NOT to marry that I would be willing to compromise on my desire to be married.
I'm not very traditional and not religious at all, but that ultimate declaration of commitment means a lot to me. Not to mention all the legal benefits and protections that I feel I deserve.
If DH had said he would refuse to ever marry me, that would have been a dealbreaker, absolutely.
I choose love.
Leaving someone who is good to you, who truly loves you, for the HOPE of finding someone else as wonderful to marry doesn't make sense to me.
Totally & completely agree with @stacycats. I don't even need to say anything else, LoL.
I agree with a lot of the PPs: I definitely wouldn't leave if my FI was opposed to marriage, but he should at least be able to explain why he feels that way.
And on a side note, I dated my FI for about 4 years before engagement, and we lived together for 2 of them. More than anything, I HATED when people asked about a future engagement; oftentimes, they suggested our engagement was being withheld as a "punishment" for moving in together, and asked me if I'd ever heard the phrase, "Why buy the cow when you get the milk for free?"
PURE RAGE. UGH.
It's easy for me to say that I would choose my relationship over marriage because I'm in a happy relationship with a like-minded man. We see eye-to-eye on things, including marriage. If we didn't, I think I would still want to be with him. That being said, if we didn't have the same view on marriage, it's not unreasonable to assume that we might differ on other major things or that we might not have the same relationship we do now. In short, it's kind of impossible to say what I would choose. I'm just glad I don't have to make that decision.
I think it would depend on the situation. I like to think of things like that this way... if on a scale of 1-10 getting married to me was a 10, and the reason for him not wanting to get married were only like a 2 then I would hope that we could see how big of a deal it really was to me and go from there. However to just build a home and have kids with being married we both have to be on the exact same page/level because I don't think it would work out unless both of us were equally happy with that decision.
@Sweet Melissa: "That being said, if we didn't have the same view on marriage, it's not unreasonable to assume that we might differ on other major things or that we might not have the same relationship we do now. In short, it's kind of impossible to say what I would choose. I'm just glad I don't have to make that decision."
That's a great point, I definitely agree!
Marriage, because I wouldn't do the living-with and having kids without it.
I absolutely love my boyfriend and plan to stay with him regardless of our relationship status. I don't want a house or children so I suppose that makes my situation a touch different. BF and I are not very handy. I'm thinking condos for life.
Personally, I'd want the marriage. DH & I dated for 5 years before getting engaged and yes, we did live together. However, I would not have felt comfortable having children without getting married.
@Moose1209: If someone was so unwilling to compromise for me, I wouldn't be able to compromise my beliefs on marriage for them.
Exactly this. I'm not willing to buy a house and have children with someone who refuses to marry me. Period. I've always wanted to be a wife and mother, not a girlfriend and baby mama. Marriage is a core value I possess and I'm not willing to spend my life with someone whose values are in such stark contrast to my own. It would break my heart to do it, but I would eventually leave.
My husband and I lived together for 5 years before we got married - and we owned a home for more than 2 years before. (I know, I know. I would never recommend that route to a friend, but it worked for us.) I was honestly so sick of fighting over whether we were going to get married (husband comes from a line of ugly divorces and just didn't get the need for a "piece of paper"), that I had a real sit down with myself over this question. I ultimately - after many months of soul-searching - decided that I wanted him and the life we could have together (yes, even with children) more than I wanted a ring and a wedding. We were about to leave on vacation when I made the decision, so I told myself I would tell him about my decision - and call off the engagement dogs - after we returned home. Well, lo and behold, a lovely heirloom ring made an appearance on our vacation and my husband has never looked back. I feel really good about our relationship knowing that, even in some of our darkest times, we were more concerned about being together than about clinging to our fears. Just my two cents on the question.
Thanks for replying, ladies! It's really interesting reading everyones' perspectives and opinions. It's funny - while I posed this question, I wasn't ready to respond to it. In all honesty, I'm a bit stumped on how to answer it myself.
I guess it's kind of a non-issue for my SO and I, so I'm not sure I can fairly give my opinion. My SO and I both grew up in religiously Catholic, but socially liberal families where the concepts of marriage and creating a family were of great importance, but not shoved down our throats. Both of our parents have been happily married 30+ years without trial separations or any major, traumatizing issues. Since I've been young, I've always known that I wanted to get married once I had found the right person, and my SO has always felt the same way in his own life. But we're lucky. Some of my close friends have very negative outlooks on marriage, because they grew up having their lives rocked by their parents unhealthy and abusive unions. I think to myself, my SO or I could have been one of them.
Like a lot of you, I find marriage to be the ultimate level of commitment. And with all the social, legal, and financial comforts and benefits that come along with being legally wed, why the hell not? If you are genuinely serious about spending your lives with one another, why wouldn't you want to make your commitment public, official, and forever set in stone?
But then I think of the many homosexual couples who live in states where the law has not yet caught up with their love (not trying to start controversy or debate here - to each his/her own; honestly!). If they've done their best in truly promising longevity and companionship to their partners, are they any less committed than the heterosexual couple down the street that celebrated their wedding the previous weekend?
I want to say that I would choose love and our relationship, each and every time. I want to believe that even if my SO was 100% against marriage, I would still want a life and family with him. But I'm not sure that is true. I would need time to think it over, I would need compelling reasons, and I would need one hell of a zipper to shut my mouth up about engagement. So, all in all, I'm not sure. Marriage is so important to me. It's how I've been conditioned, how I've grown up. If I was with someone who didn't believe in that as a core value, would we really be all that compatible afterall? It's really hard to decide.
P.S. I'm gunna add a poll!
Relationship as long as there were protections for any kids and the house (a domestic agreement of some type).
@JamaicaBride: Everything you just said. Marriage is important to me and if my SO does not share that belief of marriage with me, then he is not the right person for me.
FWIW, I also don't believe in soul mates.. I believe we choose our SOs and make a conscious effort to maintain a relationship. It's not about a wedding and a ring. It's not that simple. It's about the emotional and legal lifelong committments that a marriage brings into your life.
Like you said OP, if he doesn't believe in marriage as much as I do, then I believe that we are not compatible enough to make it through life with or without being married.
I have a hard time choosing either. I value marriage highly and it is definately something I want for myself. If I was choosing with my current SO I would say relationship but it doesn't really count because he too values marriage highly and wants to be married to me.
If I were in a different relationship with a man who did not value marriage I would choose marriage. If we do not agree on such an integral decision in life what else are we not agreeing on. It is quite possible that it would be hurting our relationship in other aspects due to his commitment phobia or his lack of interest in making it legal. That would be something that would really hurt my feelings and I would most likely move on because of it.
So I guess it really is a nonissue. I don't have to choose either. :)
@izziebear: "If they've done their best in truly promising longevity and companionship to their partners, are they any less committed than the heterosexual couple down the street that celebrated their wedding the previous weekend?"
I don't think any less of same-sex couples who are not legally able to get married. I live in Canada where this isn't an issue, but my heart breaks for the couples in other parts of the world who want to be married and can't. And speaking of longevity and commitment, same-sex couples suffer so much prejudice and discrimination... it takes courage just for them to be together, which I'd say is a strong sign of commitment.
Marriage is necessary to me for many reasons, the biggest probably being religious reasons. I just could not have a family and a home with someone without being married. Plus, if someone knew that marriage was so important to me and still didn't want to do it, I guess my relationship wouldn't be what I thought it was in the first place.
I knew it was important enough to me that I brought it up early on. He has known all along that I need to get married to stay together.
Marriage is incredibly important to me, and I would be very upset and sad to think of living the rest of my life unmarried, but I can't even wrap my brain around the idea of ever leaving my husband. Living without him would be much worse than having to live unmarried for the rest of my life.
I would choose marriage. someone who doesn't share the same thoughts as i do on something as important as marriage is not the right man for me. if i give my life and everything to a man: have a house, have children together, ect, then i would need to be married. that's just how i feel.
But then I think of the many homosexual couples who live in states where the law has not yet caught up with their love (not trying to start controversy or debate here - to each his/her own; honestly!). If they've done their best in truly promising longevity and companionship to their partners, are they any less committed than the heterosexual couple down the street that celebrated their wedding the previous weekend?
Yeah, this is just insane to me but I won't pontificate further for peace's sake :P But if someone said that their marriage was more committed, important, loving, serious or solid than a same sex couple that is not given the right to marry or the couple that is not restricted by religion to marry or just doesn't see the need than I question their understanding of love or commitment.
I've never been the type of girl or woman to plan a wedding in my head or set marriage as a goal or vocation. So for me, I'll take it or leave it. I would like to partake in the legal and financial benefits that married people get, which is why we're considering it, but that tastes a bit bitter to me knowing that other people with stronger bonds will never enjoy those benefits. I have a new-ish friend who has no goals in life AT ALL except to be a wife and mother. Of course, she has no boyfriend because she scares the hell out of all of them, lol, but she also doesn't really care about that part too much. If he's nice, makes money and wants a wife to stay home with kids she'll stay with him if she thinks he might propose. To me, that's a lot like the first option. I cannot fathom wanting marriage on its own instead of wanting to marry SOMEONE in particular. Marriage should come from the natural progression of a relationship - it shouldn't exist as an idea without the person you want to marry attached. I actually have a very difficult time with this concept :(
It would depend on my SO's reasoning. If he didn't want to get married for a stupid reason I'm guessing I wouldn't be with him anyway, but if he had a legitimate reason that made sense I'd probably stay with proper legal documents stating what would happen to our assets in the event of a split.
@luckyprincess : "I cannot fathom wanting marriage on its own instead of wanting to marry SOMEONE in particular. Marriage should come from the natural progression of a relationship - it shouldn't exist as an idea without the person you want to marry attached. I actually have a very difficult time with this concept"
I'm going to have to agree with you. My intentions are nothing but peaceful, so without wanting to ignite any sort of drama, I've got to say that this idea has popped into my head a few times on the boards. Ya know, I totally understand and can relate to the excitement of getting engaged. I am waiting for a proposal myself, and admit I can get slightly impatient at times. However, one of the reasons my curiosity was sparked enough to pose this question was some of the posts that center around deadlines and ultimatums. I think it's easy for the ideas of "I'm getting married, time to wedding plan" and "I'm spending forever with my true love" to become blended and distorted, negatively impacting what our priorities may appear to others. I'd like to think that all the bees' hearts are in the right place. It's just a thought I've had a few times.
I chose relationship. Typically I would say marriage, but at this point, it's the relationship more.
I agree with Littlestbirds here: Living without him would be much worse than having to live unmarried for the rest of my life.
@Soladylike: I agree completely with you. I am not willing to have kids or buy a house or spend the rest of my life with a person if marriage wasn't in the picture. I want to get married one day and for any of the above to occur I would have to be getting married. If he didn't want to then I would be out the door.
Personally I wouldnt get into a serious relationship with someone who doesnt want to be married.
Personally I can't think of any great reasons for one partner to refuse to marry IF it's very important to the other. I can think of plenty of sketchy reasons.
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