Post # 62
I have four cats… a moggie, two ex feral rescues (one missing), and a pedigree.
We got a pedigree kitten after one of the ferals went missing. This was because:
– One of the cats was suffering without his best friend (urinating in the house etc). We needed a kitten because he would be more likely to accept a kitten than a cat. Shelters have far fewer kittens in the right age range than breeders.
– We wanted to be able to predict the adult behaviours of the kitten with more accuracy, which is easier with a cat from a breeder because you can meet their ancestors and get a good idea about how they behave. Some behaviours don’t usually come through until the age of full sexual maturity, which is about 2 for cats. By seeing Mum and Dad (who are over the age of 2) you can get more of a feel for how they will act. Disclaimer: paediatric spay and neuter almost always will prevent bad behaviours, so this is only really a problem if you intend to neuter after 6 months. As it happens, we didn’t… just throwing this out there though.
– We wanted a specific breed (long story) because we thought it would be easier to integrate this particular breed with our existing cats. Pedigrees seldom ever appear in shelters… only 10% of British cats are pedigrees in the first place, and pedigrees are usually rehomed either privately or through breeders’ organisations.
I suppose people also might want to breed or show animals, and therefore they want all the paperwork and health certificates going back 5 generations etc.
Post # 63
My mom walks with a cane. We tried to find an appropriate rescue dog for her, but could not find one. They had one for her and told her it was hers, then gave it to someone else. My poor mom was heartbroken. I went through all the local shelters and searched online and I could not find a match for her. The dogs available in the city were all giant sheppards and labs. Not the kind of dog that would be good for a short lady with a cane. She bought a dog through a breeder my dog trainer reccommended. He’s a perfect fit for her, her house and the family. Not everyone has the skills or the resources needed for a rescue dog, and I think it’s important to recoginize that as well.
My dog was bought from a pet store. My last dog had died a month prior, and I could not leave him there. I wasn’t aware of puppy mills and things like that at the time and I felt awful when I found out about that issue. I would never buy from a store again, and luckily the store we bought him from no longer carries dogs anyway.
The bottom line is we have 2 very happy boys that are very well cared for and loved and we are happy too.
ETA: I also needed a specific breed due to allergies and having a small house. I don’t have the space needed for a lab or sheppard either.
Post # 64
@SoonToBeMrsT16: too many people don’t know what a “good” breeder looks like. That’s what I mean by encouraging back yard breeding. People hear “oh find a breeder with a good reputation” and that’s it. My niece bought her dog from a breeder and I guarantee you she didn’t research the breeder. I do know that reputable breeders are very against puppy mills and back yard breeders but I don’t think they push enough to get information out there as to what constitutes a good breeder.
People will say “oh I got my dog from a great breeder” and someone who knows nothing about breeders hears “I got my dog from a breeder” and they purchase from a breeder, any breeder.
As for the specific breed, like I said, I kind of get that. I think some people COULD find another breed if they did enough research though. My sister for example, loves yorkies. If you asked her why, I promise you she couldn’t tell you. She’s had 2 die from health issues so it’s not because they’re a healthy breed, they have temperament problems like biting and growling, they’re not social dogs. She could have found a different breed. I’m just talking from my experience. I didn’t state any false statistics or researchable “facts”, just anticdotal evidence lol Also just my opinion!
Post # 65
for those of you preaching hard about getting your animal from a shelter and having issues with breeders…. Do you have kids? Get your people from a shelter. there are human puppies in shelters too.
Post # 67
@soontobemrsm11: I 100% agree, there are people out there who don’t know what a good breeder is and they simply walk up to the very first person who claims to be one just because they’re cheaper/closer/what have you. I know I for one wanted my current breed for a variety of specific reasons, so finding another breed that could give me that was nearly impossible. And I totally respect your opinion lol!
Post # 68
No one cares more about dogs – especially their particular breed – than an ethical breeder. An ethical breeder will ONLY breed to better the breed, almost always at a monetary loss. It is NOT about money to an ethical breeder. It’s about passion and respect for the breed. It makes my blood boil to see them all written off as puppy mills.
We purchased our golden retriever, Charlie, from a breeder in October 2012. We needed a family-friendly dog with a great love of the water, preferrably average-to-low energy level. Our breeder drilled us about our lifestyle, our home, and required us to neuter at a certain age to ensure that we wouldn’t be backyard breeding. Good breeders care about where their puppies go!
Because our breeder was intimately familar with his puppies and our “wish list”, he was able to match us with our Charlie. It’s been perfect. I cannot say enough good things about our dog. Because good habits and house rules were enforced at an early age, we’ve never had a single issue with Charlie destroying things.
All of my previous pets have been rescues. The majority of those pets had some sort of lasting trauma resulting from previous neglect or abuse. I’ve got friends with rescue dogs who have literally eaten through their floorboards when left alone for a few hours because their anxiety is so high. My heart goes out to all animals that suffer, and like I said, I’ve got two rescue cats in addition to Charlie. I donate to my local rescues often. But I couldn’t have that sort of unpredictability in my house. Of course it’s always a gamble with a living, breathing thing, but for us, purchasing from a reputable breeder (and consistent training once he was home!) got us exactly what we were looking for.
Post # 69
I think there are positives and negatives of both sides. Some purebred dogs have issues, but I know a lot of pound puppies that have had major issues as well. I have one good friend who just found out their 8 month old adopted dog has a heart murmur which requires it to be on medication every day (not cheap). Another friend who’s adopted dog started having seizures at about 4 months and is also on medication every day. Another friend who’s adopted dog has major orthopedic issues that have cost her a fortune. So moral of the story…adopting is not always cheap! I just adopted a dog and he is relatively healthy, but there was a $300 adoption fee, then we spent about $350 at his initial vet visit getting vaccines and taking care of an infection from the shelter, then about $200 in follow-ups treating the infection. On top of that he has some separation anxiety issues from being abandoned and put in a shelter, so we’ve had to get a trainer to help out (another $600). So my “budget” adopted dog has been pretty expensive when it comes down to it! I think you should get what you connect with. If you really love a certain breed, then go for it! If you go to a shelter and have a connection with a certain pup, then that’s the dog for you! 🙂
Post # 70
@soontobemrsm11: I definitely hear what you’re saying. I think the crux of the issue is that so many people, like your niece, don’t spend the proper amount of time researching breeds prior to buying. If they spent any time at all researching, they’d find this:
pretty darn quickly.
Many, if not all, ethical breeders actually breed at a monetary deficit, and sadly often do not have time or resources to promote themselves and what makes an ethical breeder ethical. I think those of us passionate about protecting the reputation of ethical breeders need to get the word out as often as we can. Thus the Public Service Announcement above 🙂
Post # 71
We needed a dog that didn’t shed because of allergies so we got a Bichon Frise from a breeder. She ended up dying young from an autoimmune disease. 🙁
Post # 72
I’m having a tough time with the posts saying they searched rescues high and low but couldn’t find an acceptable dog or cat. Out of hundreds and thousands of animals not one was acceptable as a pet? It just baffles me.
Many animals at rescues have been family pets in the past and are just dumped at the rescues when the family tires of them/moves/can’t afford them anymore, not because of behavioral or health issues. So sad.
Post # 73
I volunteer with a rescue, and we purchased our golden retriever puppy from a breeder.
As other posters have mentioned, getting our puppy from a breeder meant that we were 99% sure that he would be healthy, well socialized, and have the temperament that we were looking for. I want to train our puppy to be a therapy dog, so it was very important to me that he have a suitable personality for therapy work.
We could not be happier. Our breeder did a wonderful job breeding and socializing the puppies. Our puppy is calm, confident, and loves to be touched. His trainers have said that he was born to be a therapy dog. And it’s no accident – his littermates are all exactly the same.
I agree that too many people do not know or take the time to select a responsible breeder. I see too many “designer” dogs and too many “purebred” dogs who look nothing like the standard for their breed.
A responsible breeder is involved with the breed club and shows or otherwise competes with his or her dogs. He or she should be able to explain what qualities the puppies were bred for and what qualities they were bred to avoid, including providing health screening certifications for the puppies parents and grandparents. A responsible breeder will generally keep the best puppy in the litter and require that the other puppies be spayed or neutered.
I wholeheartedly support dog rescue organizations, and I encourage people to consider adopting a rescue before looking for a breeder. With that said, buying a puppy from a responsible breeder does not add to the problem – these puppies will always have a home. A responsible breeder will always require that the dog be returned to them before being rehomed, so they will never end up in a shelter.
Post # 74
My parents are large fans of breeders after an adoption tragedy. They went and adopted a dog as a family pet when I was younger and it seemed perfect because they were saving so much money. The dog had violent tendancies because we assume it must’ve been abused in its previous home and couldn’t be trained at all so they had to return it to the shelter (don’t get your money back) and pay to adopt another dog. This dog was fine but it got sick very quickly and there was nothing the humane society would do to help with the sudden sky high costs – if there had been a breeder it’d be in the contract that the dog didn’t have this disease when sold.
We now all swear by going the breeder route rather than adoption based on these issues, there just seems to be more protection and assurance when you deal with a breeder than the humane society. I do know a number of friends who’ve adopted successfuly with the exception of a few who had to also return the dogs due to anxiety issues and the inability to train them.
Post # 75
I have pretty bad allergies, so we needed to get a dog that was hypoallergenic, which is why we went to a breeder instead of a rescue. We ended up with a Goldendoodle, and she is perfect.
Of course, I totally understand why some people are anti-breeders and would love to rescue a dog if I knew that it wouldn’t make me sick, but I also have to say that I LOVE our breeder and they raise amazing dogs. Our dog came to us so well socialized, used to cars and crates, and barely needed to be housetrained. For a first-time dog owner, this was a Godsend. I know that not all (or even most) animals from rescues come with behavioral issues, but it was really great not having to worry about that at all.
Because of my allergies, we will probably get our next dog from a breeder, too, and will probably use the same breeder because they are so wonderful. Of course, there are irresponsible, terrible breeders out there, too, so it’s important to do your research and get references. Our breeder has a Facebook page and it has been so wonderful to see all of our dog’s brothers, sisters and cousins growing up…it shows us that it wasn’t just luck of the draw that our dog is so awesome and that part of what makes her so great is the care and attention she was given by the breeder during her first 8 weeks of life.
Post # 76
We have two breeder kittens. They are Siberians.
In our case, my husband is an Xtreme cat lover, and I am allergic to pretty much every cat I have ever met. If I visit a cat owner, sit on their furniture, and then leave without touching their cat, I still have a reaction. The reaction is not too terrible; my eyes get unbearably itchy, so I go home and take a shower and wash my clothes. But that is not a dynamic I can introduce into my own home.
Siberians are known to be hypoallergenic. It’s not a guarantee, but apparently a majority of them produce a much lower level of the Fel1-d protein that causes most cat allergies. They also don’t shed nearly as much as other cats, which reduces the amount of allergen that is spread around your home.
We found a breeder who would let us conduct an allergy test before bringing our cats home. I did have a very, very mild reaction about 1x per week for the first month or two, but I was constantly playing with our kitten, and he would often sleep next to my pillow. My exposure level was much higher than it’s ever been with another cat. We have now had the older kitten for a little over 4 months — they are two months apart in age, so the younger one has been here for about 2 months! — and I have not had a reaction at all in at least a month.
I think it would have been extremely difficult to find a shelter cat that I could live with. That is why we decided to go through a breeder. I wasn’t even sure if I would like having a cat, but I am totally smitten with these two little guys and am thrilled that we decided to get them. (We got two because we both have full time jobs, and Siberians are a social breed so we thought it was important to give them each a kitty friend. Once they got over their introductory turf war, the second kitten definitely helped curb some aggressive play behavior in the older one.)