(Closed) Affording a child…or why not just live off the government?

posted 9 years ago in Parenting
Post # 182
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843 posts
Busy bee
  • Wedding: June 2011

@Cash000: I apologize, I did not make myself clear.  What I meant was that the government should NOT be looked upon as a charity.  The government’s basic functions should be to help and enable a society to be safe, prosperous and able to work without friction as a commonwealth.  A charity is set up to help those in need get the help that they need.  I do believe that government intervention and assistance is need for those who absolutely need it and are using it to get themselves back up to where they will not have to be on the taxpayers dime anymore or are too diabled to be able to provide for themselves.  As has been pointed out, the abusers are the problem.  The people using the system correctly and are using it to help themselves when they’ve run on hard time are okay by me.  I just really don’t think the government should EVER EVER EVER be looked upon as a charity.

Post # 183
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3525 posts
Sugar bee
  • Wedding: August 2010

@Cash000:

Well let’s see. When I’m doing my weekly grocery shopping and that family in front of me is paying. And they have to pull every other item out because it does not qualify then it becomes very obvious why especially when they pull out that Benefit card. I guess next time at the cash register while waiting in line I will just read a trashy gossip magazine. 😀

And please. I’m Chinese, my family came over on the boat (ok I’m exaggerating the boat part. It was a boat to Shanghai then a plane into the US) when I was 3. Between my two uncle’s family we all lived in a Chinatown apt all 15 of us for a year. My dad passed away when I was 10 and my mom had to support 3 children on her own with a mortgage. So yeah we’ve been poor. But my mom found some way to feed us healthy.

My husband and I were practically broke throughout college and let me tell you I became well versed in making meals for us for under $5 with whatever I had in the house that was not crap.

Again, like another poster so eloquentely put it we’ll never ever see eye to eye because we’re different people that will never ever meet IRL. So, this is one of those times were my fingers got the better of my common sense to not post in hot topics such as this! Sealed

Good bye.

Post # 184
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4109 posts
Honey bee
  • Wedding: December 2011

@Gerbera: “I have NO problems with people using WIC or Benefit cards to buy a twinkie. But when your cart is completely filled to the brim with JUNK and you have two obese kids pushing the cart. I’m sorry, anyway you swing it that pisses me off.”

This can be said about all kinds of people. People with well-paying jobs & receiving no help are doing this everyday. Some of them are also abusing drugs- they just have a better means of supporting thier habit. I guess my thing is there’s a difference between being angry over actual stats/facts surrounding this issue & wanting to tell people how to live thier life regardless. I don’t care whether the person with the food stamps is buying steaks or hamburger- the result is the same for me. Absolutely doesn’t affect me, they were spending that money on SOMEthing in that store- why should we tell them how to eat?

Post # 185
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135 posts
Blushing bee
  • Wedding: January 2012

alot of people take advantage of govement programs and ruin it for the rest.

alot of others actually NEED it and could not support themselves otherwise, those single parents, parents who are sick and unable to keep down a job etc.

I know a woman who was windowed with 5 kids went from middle class to having nothing but brooth in the house. No car no phone nothing. She tried to feed her kids working at a local store walking there everyday and back and guess what it landed her, in the hospital with a heart attack. These are the people who need govement assistant and if you think its easy to get its not. every month. year etc she had to fight to stay on it because other people abuse it and the goverment is not as stupid as those who havent used it think they are.

too many people on this thread are casting judgements without knowing the full story and that is sad. Mind you own business. If you dont need assistance, good for you! that is awesome you are doing great. But don’t cast judgement on those who do. Even if you feel your friends are abusing it, it frankly is non of your business. If it bothers you that much, why are you still thier friend?

Post # 186
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7299 posts
Busy Beekeeper
  • Wedding: September 2012

Man, I gotta make sure people are not stalking me to my car after I check out. I’m warning you hefers, I carry a gun and taser and I will taze the shit out of someone!

Post # 187
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Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: April 2010

@CaptainSpaulding:  This can be said about all kinds of people. People with well-paying jobs & receiving no help are doing this everyday. Some of them are also abusing drugs- they just have a better means of supporting thier habit.

My absurd health care premiums are driven up by the garbage people who buy their own food insist on eating.  And don’t even get me started on smokers. 

But I still wouldn’t deny them medical care or argue that I ought to be able to choose what they eat.

“I don’t think you deserve that heart transplant.  I saw you running yesterday and you weren’t really pushing yourself.  Clearly, you aren’t seriously committed to your health.”  Or “You walked up those stairs just fine yesterday!  I bet you’re just faking this emphasema think to milk The System!” 

Yeah.  No.

Post # 188
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843 posts
Busy bee
  • Wedding: June 2011

@teaadntoast:Please see my other posting.  You called it charity, not public assistance.  Two different things in my mind.

Government assistance, for those who use it correctly, should be there for people who are on their last resort and cannot afford basic survival necessities to keep themselves in shelter and able to eat/feed their children.  I also believe government assistance should be used as a leg up.  I believe that you should be using it to help yourself get to a place where you don’t have to use it anymore.

Charity is given out of the goodness of your heart, it is not mandated by taxes.  Government assistance is taken out of taxpayers paychecks and given to those in need.

Post # 189
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3942 posts
Honey bee

@babydollgirl: As a tax payer, it is my business. I don’t need to know/care WHO is on it and/or what they are eating. But when my tax dollars are being spent to feed their family, and these programs are being abused then yes…it is our business.

Post # 190
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7081 posts
Busy Beekeeper
  • Wedding: July 2009

This thread makes me sad.  There are always anecdotal stories of people abusing the system.  People who want to defund the system will highlight those and of course they always stick out in the memories of those who see the incidents.  I’ll say it again, those of you who think the system is chock full of abuse aren’t seeing the 90% of people who are using it appropriately because those people are just quietly going about their business.

Even if there is a little abuse, I’m SO glad the system is there.  I have people who are close to me who are able to get healthcare and WIC for their babies because of it.  And frankly, spending to help people up front (even if they are addicts or working the system) will save tons of money downstream because they stay healthier, are able to get medical care and food…

No system is going to be perfect, but let me tell you, people will stop trying to work it so hard when they are able to survive adequately.  Right now as you all know, what we need is jobs, and tax cuts for the rich over the past 10 years haven’t created them.

Post # 191
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7299 posts
Busy Beekeeper
  • Wedding: September 2012

@babydollgirl: thank you! All the people who are so passionate about the “abuse” they see, why aren’t they reporting it? All of those who are stalking people back to their nice ass cars, why not write the plate number and report it?

Wouldn’t you report someone stealing from your job? Wouldn’t you report someone stealing from your house? Why not report someone that you personally know who is cheating the system?

Post # 192
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498 posts
Helper bee
  • Wedding: August 2011

@Miss Tattoo: i’m gunna look you up at christmastime when i’m back in the ‘burgh…muhahahah. i’ll look for a caddy on blades…

Post # 194
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843 posts
Busy bee
  • Wedding: June 2011

@Mrs. DG:You’re right.  The majority of people do use the system correctly.  It’s just frustrating for others when they DO see the abusers.  That is what this topic/post was all about.  It was not a blanket statement that if you are on welfare/goverment assistance you are doing all of these things.  It was saying that there ARE people out there who DO abuse it and it’s frustrating.  That’s what you should be sad about or disgusted about.  The abusers. 

Post # 195
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498 posts
Helper bee
  • Wedding: August 2011

@jenewitt: some people here on WB like to act like it’s a witch hunt if you say something and THEY take it out of context. be glad this isn’t salem, ma., circa 1600.

Post # 196
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7299 posts
Busy Beekeeper
  • Wedding: September 2012

@ijustrockout: lol I wish I had a caddy! lol I have a Jag with a two major problems and a fiance that has been looking for work like it’s his full time job. He is on food stamps and it helps. I make good money for myself. I make a decent amount to support myself and my daughter. I do not make enough money to support two adults and a child.
So if crazy people are watching what’s in my cart, how I pay, and stalk me in the parking lot to see what kind of car I drive, someone is getting tazed. I’ve done it before. I’m really quick to pull it out. lol

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