(Closed) Affording a child…or why not just live off the government?

posted 9 years ago in Parenting
Post # 197
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: April 2012

People should be sad about the abusers, but I think it’s very valid that other posters point out that some perspective is needed.  All too often we focus our energy and passion/venom on ‘easy’ targets.  I want to know where I can go to report that person in a shiney suit in come fancy corporate job who is taking MUCH MUCH more of welfare money than than homegirl with 6 kids supposedly eating foie gras and crab cake.  I respect everyone’s right to rant in this thread but it’s like come on.    I want to see non-anecdotal evidence that welfare abusers are really taking up 30% of my earned income and apparently living like royalty.  There are people who are really living like royaly and are taking/STEALING a lot more of my money.  Im just saying.  

Post # 198
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498 posts
Helper bee
  • Wedding: August 2011

@Miss Tattoo: just kiddin’…dang you are hard core with that tazer! my friend and i were at brillobox a few months ago when i was home and she has one. we thought we were gunna have to pull it out on some creepster that followed us to our car. i love l-ville, but they need to get rid of the night stalkers! i don’t care what you have in your cart, honestly…that’s the least of my worries…i’m on a way different scale with my gripes about the system…same as everyone.

Post # 199
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Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: April 2010

@Aubergold: Amount of money in direct compensation and bonuses that Lloyd Blankenfein, CEO of Goldman Sachs, took home in 2010:  $13.2 million dollars.

Amount of money Goldman Sachs borrowed from the U.S. government or received as TARP assistance funded by U.S. taxpayers:  $22.9 billion dollars.

 

Post # 200
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: August 2011

@Aubergold: agree. goldman sachs, AIG, GMC…those bonuses alone would have fed 5 third world countries for 5 years.

Post # 201
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Busy Beekeeper
  • Wedding: September 2012

@ijustrockout: lol I know.

I’ve used it on my ex. ha ha ha ha. He had it coming. I only have it because I use to take night classes and had to park in the parking garage behind the Omni Penn and there were some creepers hanging around the entrances at night.

Post # 202
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Busy Beekeeper
  • Wedding: September 2012

@ijustrockout: but we just can’t let them big corps fail! ^_^

Post # 203
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1091 posts
Bumble bee
  • Wedding: August 2020 - Oakland Manor

TANF (temporary assistence for needy families) places a 5 year time limit in benefits,  there are exceptions but those are controlled by each state….

Post # 205
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Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: April 2010

@Miss Tattoo:  The sad thing is, we really can’t.  Most of the big banks are so bound up in the global financial system that letting them fail would be a disaster, not just for us, but for millions of other people (Iceland, anyone?). 

You’d think, though, that we could at least cap executive compensation and make it harder for them to take on enormous amounts of risk.

*sigh*

But no.

Post # 205
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: August 2020 - Oakland Manor

@jenewitt: but that is why we have a representative government, the government was structured so that the people would elect representatives that would champion their issues. I live in DC, so I’m not afforded the same rights to a representative government as those in the 50 states…

Post # 206
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: August 2011

@Miss Tattoo: if i tell you where my ex lives *cough lawrenceville* can you make a trip over there 😉

Post # 207
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Newbee
  • Wedding: January 2011

@moderndaisy: my mom told me that same thing!  She’s a social worker and says that the difference between family sizes when people are awarded a certain amount per child and a certain amount overall is night and day.  It makes you wonder why we award per child at all, or at least enough to incentivize having more kids.  

I think it’s important for people to make their own choices about their family planning, but if having more children means more sacrifice for working folk, it hardly makes sense to have a system that means having more kids could possibly *increase* your net income for those who aren’t working (for whatever reason).  If you’re prepared to really stretch that aid as far as possible, I think that’s fine…but it doesn’t seem to really work that way most of the time.  

Post # 208
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Sugar Beekeeper
  • Wedding: October 2011

Yikes! This thread has taken a nasty turn…

I know it’s been said about a dozen times but I’ll say it again, I don’t think ANYONE is judging those who accept assistance when they genuinely need it (that is what it’s there for, ya know) but the truth of the matter is, we all probably know someone who abuses it. I’ve seen it first hand as have multiple PP’s. It’s frustrating to know that while I’m sitting here at work (I’m not going to say “slaving” since I’m obviously writing this right now, lol) there are millions of individuals who are more than capable of working for a living, sitting on their asses collecting my tax money just because they can. Plain and simple, it’s not fair. I know some will say life isn’t fair and you’re right but I don’t think anyone can argue that the abuse of the system isn’t infuriating for those who are paying for it.

As for the mandatory drug testing, I don’t think anyone implied that those who collect assistance are drug addicts. To me, it’s common sense. If I have to be drug tested for my job, where I work 40 hours a week, then why shouldn’t someone who’s going to collect government assistance and NOT work be drug tested? If anything, I really think it would greatly cut down the amount of people who take advantage of the system. Frankly, if you have nothing to hide then a simple drug test shouldn’t be an issue. I also completely agree with the PP who said to deduct the cost of the drug test from the recipient’s benefits (it could even be spread out over the course of however many weeks/months if money is an issue – which it probably is).

Now onto the groceries, I definitely admit to judging the woman in line in front of me but to be honest, if she hadn’t made such a scene, I wouldn’t have even noticed what she was buying. When she looks to me to cover her beer and twizzlers because she’s maxed out her benefits card and doesn’t have any other way to pay for it then it becomes my business. 

@JewishBride: Whoa! Take a chill pill.

Post # 210
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: August 2020 - Oakland Manor

@mkpw: but how else would we do it, a bigger family tends to mean more expenses

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