(Closed) Affording a child…or why not just live off the government?

posted 9 years ago in Parenting
Post # 211
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Sugar bee

@Crisark: If you have never been in this situation and are simply sitting there in your home that has a full fridge don’t pass judgement….you don’t know until you’ve been there.

Exactly. And the car arguement gets on my nerves. If someone has a nice car, are they supposed to sell it once they get laid off so they don’t look like they are milking the system? The car could be paid for in full, but b/c someone has that car, on assistance, they are milking things.

Post # 212
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Busy Beekeeper
  • Wedding: September 2012

@UpstateCait: If you know someone who is abusing it, why not report it? I don’t know anyone abusing the system. Where are the millions of lazy ass people on welfare that you speak of?

Who is going to pay for drug testing? That shit is expensive! Most employers don’t want to pay for it. They won’t pay for a second one if the first one comes back diluted.  How long do you think it will take for the tax payers to start bitching that they are paying for drug tests for welfare participants? So we are going to deduct a drug test cost (again, that shit is expensive) from a needy persons benefits to make the American public feel better about it? lol

Post # 215
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Bee Keeper
  • Wedding: March 2012

Yeah i knew this thread was going to go this way.  The OP gave a specific example of a paticular situation involving someone abusing the system.  No one said ALL were abusing …. we said SOME.  Everyday people, rich or poor, make choices on how they behave.  

People have TRIED to report wrong doings but unless you have four hours to be left on hold or to be transferred … it’s actually hard to get someone to investigate. 

I think the drug tests are a wonderful idea.  The cost would be fine with me. If they kick the people OFF that pop positive. 

Post # 216
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Honey bee
  • Wedding: December 2011

@Miss Tattoo: “How long do you think it will take for the tax payers to start bitching that they are paying for drug tests for welfare participants?”

Yup. It only feeds into that incorrect perception anyway.

I only know one person receiving assistance (who is NOT abusing) & I can honestly say I’ve only actually noticed someone using one of those EBT cards in the store once or twice my whole life. Maybe because I don’t care, or maybe because I’m absorbed in my own life & thinking about what I’m making for dinner. Or possibly because I’m unloading my own cart & could care less what’s in someone else’s or how they’re paying for it. 

Post # 217
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Sugar Beekeeper
  • Wedding: October 2011

@Miss Tattoo:

Okay, maybe “millions” was an exaggeration but if I personally know 3 people who abuse the system then I would bet that a number of people know atleast one person who does it as well. That adds up! As for the drug tests, yes, I think it should come out of their benefits if the government won’t pay for it. It doesn’t have to all come out at once but maybe spread across the time period that they’re collecting. I simply do not find it fair that I have to be drug tested to work but those on welfare don’t have to be drug tested to receive their benefits.

Post # 218
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Busy Beekeeper
  • Wedding: July 2009

@jenewitt: I don’t hold any anomosity towards the few that take advantage of the system either though.  I figure it’s the social price we pay towards having a safety net and it should be anticipated in the funding.

I think drug testing is a horrible idea.  Bet you all didn’t know that the governor of Florida holds a personal stake in this drug testing business?

“One of the more popular services at Solantic, the urgent care chain co-founded by Florida Gov. Rick Scott, is drug testing, according to Solantic CEO Karen Bowling.

Given Solantic’s role in that marketplace, critics are again asking whether Scott’s policy initiatives – this time, requiring drug testing of state employees and welfare recipients – are designed to benefit Scott’s bottom line.”

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/money/gov-rick-scotts-drug-testing-policy-stirs-suspicion-1350922.html

Whether a person is using drugs or not, they still need food and health care… Maybe especially if they are using drugs!

Post # 219
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Bee Keeper
  • Wedding: June 2011

^ Or perhaps if they got off drugs they would actually get a job!

Post # 220
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: October 2011

@abbyful:

Not all people who use drugs collect welfare. There are plenty of people who work and still use drugs. The two don’t coincide. And besides, if this theory were put into effect what makes you think they wouldn’t get off the drugs, go on welfare, and start using again. Or maybe they would cheat the test altogether.

The drug test is probably the least efficient way of having the welfare system better regulated.

Post # 221
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Busy Beekeeper
  • Wedding: September 2012

@UpstateCait: Does your drug test come out of your paycheck?

Post # 222
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: November 2011

Mrs. DG Whether a person is using drugs or not, they still need food and health care… Maybe especially if they are using drugs!

Escuse me? I need healthcare too.  Someone with medicaid and welfare has to pay $0 for a dr. visit and $0 for a prescription and will even get money for food if they have to wait more than a certain amount of time and ER visits are free.  If I need to go to the ER it’s $75.  If I need to go to the Dr. chances are I will need to take a day off of work (if they don’t have extended hours.) I will also need to pay a $15 copay for the visit and $15 for a prescription. And my insurance is very good compared to other people I know. Does that seem fair?

Don’t get me started on glasses… If you have medicaid, you are entitled to them for free… for me? easy $350.  Dental insurance? They have that covered too, but many people I knoweither do not have it offered thru their companies or can’t afford it.

Post # 223
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Busy Beekeeper
  • Wedding: July 2009

@msgraphics:  You probably live well above the poverty line and if you didn’t you’d qualify for aid… so I guess it seems perfectly fair to me.

But if someone is mainlining heroin, they are likely to get very sick very quickly without basic services… Then they’ll show up in the ER and not be able to pay at all…  Who is going to foot the bill for that?  You and I with even higher premiums.  I’d rather have them get preventive care for free!  Oh and that family living in a shelter who’s kid contracted TB?  Your kid is going to school with that kid and now gets TB too.  It’s important for that kid to have free care to get treated appropriately… even if it’s only to protect other kids in society.

Post # 224
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: October 2011

@msgraphics:

So do you think a person using drugs does not deserve healthcare then?

Post # 225
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Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: April 2010

@Mrs. DG:  

Whether a person is using drugs or not, they still need food and health care… Maybe especially if they are using drugs!

Wait, wait…. Are you suggesting that addicts struggling with debilitating addictions and suffering physical and psychic pain might also be people deserving of compassion, support and assistance?

The mind.  It boggles.

I may need to go lie down…

ETA:  Or that there might be public health ramifications for denying them basic services?

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