Again with the job offer!!

posted 5 days ago in Career
Post # 2
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Honey bee
  • Wedding: October 2017

soon2bmrsruiz :  i think them elaborating the way they did about their ex employee was incredibly unprofessional. You asked, which is fine, but I feel that the level of detail they went into about her is a bad sign for how they are as a company.

They sound pretty desperate imo 

I would not take a huge pay raise to work in a miserable environment

Post # 3
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Helper bee

I agree that they definitely overshared about what happened with the last employee. However, I am completely in the school of thought that you can not judge an entire company based on one persons reviews. You are not your co worker and may have a completely different experience at the new company than she did. 

For me, a 17k pay raise would be worth taking the jump and trying. You have to think, If you applied to this job in the first place, there is a reason. People who are 100% happy in their current placement usually don’t seek out other positions.

Good luck with your decision Bee, I know it’s a hard one!

Post # 5
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Honey bee
  • Wedding: August 2012

Sansa85 :  my thoughts exactly. 

If you’re a good place to work, you don’t have to be this desperate. Op, im sure you’re a great hire, but this level of pursuit is a little much tbh.

Post # 7
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Bee Keeper

soon2bmrsruiz :  are you currently working as a paralegal? And had your friend been a paralegal before? What is the company’s reputation otherwise? I’m a paralegal and there are certain firms I won’t go near no matter how much they paid me – they treat their paralegals like they are disposable and have toxic work environments. That said….my attorneys can be tough and they expect a lot from me. Someone who can’t take criticism and work independently would not hack it at this job even if they are otherwise a fantastic paralegal. I would make sure that you interview with the person you’ll work with on a daily basis to make sure that’s a good fit. At my old job I was in charge of hiring paralegals and if I was filling a spot for particular attorneys I tried to minimize their contact with candidates so they didn’t scare everyone off right away! 

Post # 9
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Newbee

Being someone that has interviewed probably 20 times at my current company alone. I say trust your gut. PERIOD. I am trying to work my way up but I won’t settle after some awkward interview or whatever.

Have literally withdrew from MANY submissions after interviews because of various reasons.

Some where the managers were being completely rude… some were outright weird and it felt awkward. One time the manager didn’t show up and instead had the team she worked over do the interview… And sometimes nothing went wrong and I just felt it wasn’t the right move after.

And sometimes you just hear bad things and wonder. I have been getting great feed back on my interview skills and sometimes I just don’t get the job because someone has more skills in job specific qualifications. I get bummed I didn’t get it but got feedback. I have a sigh of relief when I get rejections from the weird people… who DON’T provide feedback.

For me… if I feel like its wrong (or in my case extreme anxiety thinking I shouldn’t do it)… don’t care how much an increase it is I am not taking it.

You got good vibes but still evidently have some concerns. Just find out how heavy those weigh over good vibes if you already have good vibes at your current job.

Post # 10
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Honey bee
  • Wedding: November 1999

 

. My former co worker was not really a paralegal, but a case manager. Just manages a case and speaks to the clients rather than working with pleading paper, filing, trials, etc. So no litigation experience. She told them she was a paralegal at the last law firm.

soon2bmrsruiz :  well it does sound like some truth existed to the story about your ex colleague overselling themselves and not being correctly qualified for the job they were hired for.

17k is a lot of money and I’d personally take the risk and give it a go. I’d put away the extra monthly difference between your current salary and your new one in preparation for a just incase this doesn’t work out type situation.

You could also Google employee reviews for this company to see if your ex colleagues experience was a one off. You should also be able to Internet stalk the current employees of this firm and see how long they’ve been there for. If everyone hasn’t been there long you can probably safely say that the culture isn’t one that fosters support. 

Post # 11
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Bee Keeper

soon2bmrsruiz :  I think if it’s clear what tasks would be expected from you (and you feel comfortable with them) and you otherwise get a good feeling from the place then $17k is worth the risk. Don’t let the fact that they seem desperate necessarily deter you – my current firm admitted that they reached out because they had interviewed so many people and couldn’t find the right fit. I’ve been here 3.5 years and love my job and my team! Our firm expects the best and isn’t afraid to let someone know if they aren’t making the cut. Some people may think it’s brutal but it’s part of why I like it – I don’t have deal with slackers. PARTICULARLY if you’re going to be in court at trial everyone wants to be a good personality fit. Trials get hectic and stressful and you need a cohesive team to pull it off. 

Post # 12
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: March 2019

I’d make the jump or ask your current company to up your raise to what the new company is offering. Leaving $17k/yr on the table when you want to have kids is just not a great option to me. Did you get a good vibe from the place? How did you like the people you interviewed with? If it seemed good to you and its a job you want to do, take it. If you get in and it sucks, you have the title of paralegal and you have a starting salary that is $17k higher if you decide to look somewhere else. 

I worked in a terrible job with a terrible boss. It sucked, but I was able to get out of that situation pretty quickly and got an even bigger promotion at my next place. So I increased my earning potential within 2 years by over $30k. It is what set up my FH and I for the future. If I would have not taken that job, I’d still be years behind in my 401K and my savings. It sucked for a little bit, but it also taught me what a positive work environment looks like, and how to pick it out in job interviews. You got one bad review from someone who sounds like she couldn’t hack it. If you think you’re qualified and you got a good vibe, counter their offer and ask for another $7k and bank all the money you can. I’ll just never understand leaving that much money on the table when you are trying to start your family. It’s one thing after you have kids or are nearing retirement to slow down and take a potential cut, but $17k a year can pay for vacations, schooling, dr’s appointmens, etc. Too much to leave on the table becuase you’re comfortable. 

Post # 13
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Busy bee

 

Don’t forget that the $17.5k isn’t a ‘true’ $17.5k as you will now pay taxes on that extra money.

Secondly, when you are TTC, you especially need to be in a work environment that is not extremely stressful. So, if where you are is a positive environment for you, then you need to weigh out that pro/con. TTC doesn’t happen easily and it’s worse in a negative, hectic, cut-throat environment.

Thirdly, what about mat leave in the new company? What kind of mat leave you want vs. what do you think you can realistically get from your current vs. new company?

I was not working when I TTC. That was by choice as I worked contracts and decided not to take up any new ones anytime until after. Unfortunately, after I became pregnant and in my first trimester, my Darling Husband lost his job! So, now we were both jobless. And getting him a job and back on his feet was like pulling teeth. But, end of the day, we managed however we could and he found a job in my third trimester. And the best part of the story is that in his new job he made $40k more/yr!!! Moral of the story is, we did without a $17.5k (aka, me no job) because I did not want the stress of a super hectic work environment while TTC. And it still worked out well in the end. So, TTC should not be the the only reason for you to consider $17.5k increase.

 

Post # 14
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: November 2015

Honestly I would pass on this opportunity… the whole thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Super unprofessional that you told the people in charge of hiring what your former co-worker had told you. Even more unprofessional for them to go into such detail about said former employee. You’re comfortable and happy where you are and you just got a raise. The grass isn’t always greener. I know if I was TTC the last thing I would want on my plate is taking on a new job and the stress that comes with that. Sure the money would be nice but you have no idea what really goes on there. Too risky and I would be weary from the get go.

Post # 15
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: July 2016

Do they have any employee reviews on Glassdoor or other websites?  That may be helpful. Unfortunately what they shared about her is a major red flag and I would pass on this company. 

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