Post # 77
To everybody who is confused about mods being personally attacked – I believe that somewhere in this mess someone went after Bakerella. That’s the attack that I saw for sure. She actually stepped in for a second to defend herself. Hope that clears something up.
Post # 78
I’m wondering how you can possibly get upset at members for expressing frustration at the lack of moderator response when no one told us they weren’t allowed to respond. To me, it just sounds like you’re trying to deflect from your own responsibility in what happened. We’re not psychic, Penguin. How were we supposed to know?
Also, there have been many threads here about the lack of transparency with respect to who is a mod/hostess/admin ect, since there are no distinctions visible to members outside of a PM. So how, pray tell, are we expected to make that distinction in threads? I’m not quite understanding how you can get upset at us for failing to make distinctions you refuse to disclose to us. If you’d just be upfront with us about who does what around here, we can address our grievences to the proper recipients. Until you do so, however, you can’t get upset at us for using the term “mod” as an all encompassing label for the powers that be.
Finally, the part about going through the threads from the weekend and issuing warnings or bannings based off of what was said very much reads like a threat. If that wasn’t your intent, you might want to clarify.
I’m not quite sure this post achieved what you intended it to achieve.
Post # 79
I’m so glad I was away at the weekend and avoided all of the fallout! Just wanted to say that the mods, admin, hostesses and anyone I’ve unwittingly forgotten do a great and sometimes incredibly difficult job, so huge thanks to you all! xx
Post # 80
@Sibiohan: @google: @peachacid: I have to say I agree with these ladies. This post leaves a bad taste in my mouth, it feels like the situation from this weekend is being trivialized and that anyone who posted in those threads is being shamed for having any continuing question/comments to or about the moderators. This is after we were chastized as a community in general for using the term “moderator” incorrectly, even though in general the users are kept in the dark about the hierarchy of moderation on this site. I don’t think people should be shamed for wanting to discuss a situation that was clearly very confusing to both the members and the administration (considering lawyers were involved), and for looking for answers.
The undertone I got from this post and comments in previous thread is that those threads will now be searched extensively for anything disparaging to the moderators. Does that include using the term moderator incorrectly and asking questions/expressing frustration the wrong direction? Because that is what most of what went down in those threads came across to me. I only remember a brief series of posts that people were asking where Bakerella was and why she wasn’t involved. The thread was heated yes, but if not everyone saw the thread that Bakerella announced she was giving up some of her former duties, it’s not unheard of for them to be curious where she was??
Overall, I am very thankful for our moderators that volunteer their time to help take care of our happy place. I just fear this thread sounds like a witch hunt not that different from what occurred last weekend.
Post # 81
@google: “As someone who inadvertantly used “mods” as the catch-all for powers to be, let me apologize to the volunteer mods for anything that I may have said that offended you. That was not my intent, nor I think anyone’s intent in the heated debate.”
I echo this sentiment. No ill intent was meant towards volunteers, however as a lay-person, I used the word “mod / moderators” as a catch all for anyone with the authority to issue thread deletions / decision making abilities. My apologies to the volunteers that give their time to the community.
Post # 82
I have nothing to say about the drama events because I missed all of it, but I do want to mention that I have a lot of respect for Penguin and everyone else in charge of such a massive discussion site like this! I don’t think I would ever have the patience! Thanks for keeping this place running 🙂
Post # 83
Hmm. Guess it was a good thing Fiance and I went camping this weekend. I have no idea what happened or why but I am sorry for all parties who ended up with hurt feelings.
I really enjoy this site, I hope it doesn’t turn into some sort of bully machine.
Post # 84
In this situation, a lack of transparency caused a lot of drama. I hope that anyone with any power over this site realizes that and can see through their hurt feelings after being “attacked.”
Post # 85
I think I am one of very few bees who have no idea what is going on. I took a break from the bee this weekend to get caught up on other things like house and school work. Kind of glad I did! Thanks to the mods for their hard work 🙂
Post # 86
There’s not a “lack of transparency”… there’s a witch hunt of anybody with power in the site because someone thought there was something really unfair about the way an extremely unique case was handled. I’d say the TOS are pretty freaking transparent, and the powers-that-be did the best they could with a really, really weird situation.
I have a hard time believing that members are just that confused, or that they really care that much about the finer points of the TOS – who reads those things on most sites? They’re just out for the blood of one particular user they think is a monster, and because the mods removed some key information (likely to protect the safety of said member), certain users are all peeved that they can’t go gasp at the nerve of such a person. They want to go stare, and they can’t because the mods took away their toys. I bet that if certain members of our community weren’t so hungry for drama, they may not have even noticed this disrepancy.
It’s really, really silly, and you’re still in full control of your privacy by only posting things you don’t mind sharing.
Post # 87
@koveline: Erm, actually I could care less about the poster in question. I care that she somehow could get post removed that had no personally identifiable information off and I or any other Bees cannot. So, sorry, your rant is not the case.
Post # 88
@koveline: I have to agree.
Post # 89
@google: Why can’t you accept that it was an exceptionally weird situation, instead of just pointing to the rules and whining about how it’s OMG so unfair? Seriously, people were out for blood. They felt entitled to a public shaming and I think the mods removed the posts for their own very good reasons, to prevent the flood of drama and general distractions from the purpose of the site that it would have caused. I’m glad the mods made an exception. It was seriously such a severe case – it was much more severe than any other request I’ve heard of.
This site is for discussion of weddings, not for public shaming of criminals from years ago. The distraction last weekend was big enough WITH the posts removed – can you even imagine the flood of posts and replies that would have happend had they just left those posts up? We nearly broke the site as it is.
Have you ever tried to get posts removed before? And if so, could the contents of those posts potentially derail the general discussion of the site on that level? I’m sure that if that post about Bridesmaid or Best Man drama that you regret putting up could destroy the site for a period of time that they’d make an exception for you, too. Would you be this up in arms if you found out the mods had quietly removed a post of mine that was slightly unflattering but otherwise not dramatic?
I doubt it was merely a personal favor for the bee in question – the site itself would have suffered immensely had they stayed up.
Post # 90
[comment moderated by penguin for namecalling]
Post # 91
If you’re truly so concerned with the TOS, surely you know the policies on namecalling and baiting.