Post # 1
So the topic came up a little bit in another thread (http://boards.weddingbee.com/topic/fostering-baby-quaker-parrots) but as I don’t think I’ve ever seen a Bee thread about this, I wanted to make a separate topic.
What do you feel about animal research? Do you agree with it or are you against it? Why?
Personally, I think animal research is a really beneficial thing. We wouldn’t be where we are in terms of scientific and medical breakthroughs without testing on animals. Everything from vaccines and cancer treatments to cures for various diseases and a better understanding of how different processes within our bodies work have come from work with animals.
Now I will admit that I have some bias in this situation because I am a researcher and am now in my second position that involves animal work. My first position was in a lab that studied traumatic brain injury and my current lab studies multiple sclerosis. But having worked with animals also gives me confirmation of the regulations that are in place surrounding animal research to ensure the animals are treated humanely. I’ve seen how stringent the IACUC reviews are and how through of a process it is.
I’m curious to hear the opinions of other Bees. What is your take on animal research?
Post # 3
I am very curious to see the bees opinions on this too. From my experience (medical research) everything has to be tested in animals. See FDA regulations for everything. it doesn’t make it right or wrong. it is just the way it is.
Post # 4
It sucks and it’s sad, but it’s a necessary evil; you can’t test things on humans. I don’t like to think about it.
Post # 5
@Mrs.KMM: As a former researcher, I have studied cancer and early development using animal research. So I have the same bias as you do, but I also wholeheartedly agree with what you wrote. I think it’s necessary to have regulations in place to ensure that the animals are treated humanely, so that we as a community can benefit from the research that comes from using animals.
Post # 6
I’m on the pro side. Its a necessary part of advancement, in medicine in particular. It doesnt just benefit humans either, it also benefits animals. The medications and drugs used to treat our pets and keep them healthy, or save their lives are due to research, you dont get the benefit of one without the sacrafice of the other.
Post # 7
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I work in medical science – I’m very much for medical (animal) research. I appreciate the “evils” – the lives lost, the breedings, the unnatural medical procedures done to them etc etc – but we would NOT be where we are today in medicine and science without them.
Do I hate having to sac (sacrifice) mice when I’m done my experiment with them? Yes. Did I have to take several classes on how to properly dislocate their necks, so they are gone in 2 seconds with minimal pain? YES.
Post # 8
My background: I’m vegetarian, oppose factory farming, and am generally concerned about animal welfare/animal cruelty. I also have a close friend who is an immunologist and does research on mice.
I don’t think cosmetics and consumer products should be tested on animals, since they are not necessary for our health and wellbeing.
I do support the use of animals in medical research, but with the caveat that everything possible should be done to minimize any suffering they feel.
Post # 9
We would not be where we are in terms of medicine and scientific research without it. But my background is in Science so I have a bit of a bias also.
Post # 10
I am against it.
I just think its fundamentally wrong and you can put as many rules and regs surrounding it as you want. Killing animals is not in their best interest, it’s only in yours. Plus, all over the world people are using animals for research, and I’m sure they aren’t as thoughtful as some of the standards you have seen.
I hate the attitude we have towards animals, I think its shameful. Not just lab animals, but wild animals and domesticated pets as well.
Post # 11
imo, human welfare is more important than animal welfare.
That said, I think it should be done as little and as humanely as possible.
Post # 12
I am completely against it.
Animals feel pain. We have no right to torture them in the name of research.
To people who support it . . would you offer up your pet to be experimented on?
I ask this question to people all the time. No way would they give up their pets, but it’s okay for some poor animal abandoned at a shelter to be purchased and tortured.
Sorry – this topic angers me to no end. I probably shouldn’t have clicked on it.
Post # 13
Animal testing for drugs and procedures is absolutely necessary, although not pleasant. You just can’t test this stuff on humans, and without testing, you are going to have a lot of problems and HUMAN deaths.
Post # 14
It’s a necessary evil. I worked in research for 4 years and am done. I realize that there are standards in place, but I think that IACUC should be more strict. I saw all sorts of things done that were just wrong (IMO). One PI I worked for often did experiments off protocol just to see if they would work first. But like I said, it’s necessary. There is only so much you can do in a cell culture or tissue culture dish.
As for putting my pet up for research? Hell no! Most lab animals are born/raised with the intent to be used for research. My pet is not. The two are completely different.
Post # 15
@GroovyHippieChick: I understand where you are coming from, and of course I would never offer up my pet for science.
But what other choice do we have? These things HAVE to be tested. So so so many drugs end up being promising in vitro, and then causing cancer, birth defects, not working, or causing death once they are tested in a living organism. If there were another way, I’m sure we would take it. And hopefully someday there will be.
Right now the best we have is protocols saying to test in the lowest level of life form possible. If you can get your results from E. coli, then you do it. If you can do it in worms, then you do it. If you absolutely NEED dogs or primates, then you are limited in how many you can do and must report to a review board.
I just have to think of all the lives that would have been lost if important drugs like HIV meds, antibiotics, and vaccines were unable to be tested for safety.
Post # 16
@GroovyHippieChick: I understand your point of view but those are animals raised for medical research. They would not even be born if they were not for research. Nobody is taking anybodies’ pets.
And it has nothing to do with DNA. Although results seen in animals can not for sure be translated to humans the first step is to test them in animals before clinical trials. How would we do it otherwise? It is sad, I don’t like the idea either but there is no way around it.