(Closed) Any parents who don’t vaccinate their children? Thoughts on vaccines?

posted 9 years ago in Babies
Post # 242
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Helper bee

@not blushing
I’d really like to say something offensive, but that’s not allowed. Your comments, and repeated linking to that website have me fuming. 

Instead, I will say this: the load of crap contained within that link beggars belief. Don’t come here telling people that they should get informed if that’s what you consider to be a reputable source.

These vaccine threads are getting more ridiculous by the day. The ignorance which appears to exist in the general community is actually blowing my mind.


Here’s a news flash: just because it’s on the Internet does not make it true. 

Post # 243
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Helper bee

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@Not Blushing: Actually, the survey reported that 48% of doctors in the study had been vaccinated. It does not say anything about them 50% of them “refusing” to be vaccinated.

Post # 244
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Helper bee

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@Not Blushing: and By The Way, the demonstrated prevalence of autism (or autism spectrum disorders) in two studied Amish communities, is 1 in 271. In epidemiological terms, that is very different to your statement that “BTW, the Amish have no autism in their communities, and they also do not vaccinate.”

Post # 245
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: October 2012

Maybe at this point everyone agrees to disagree.

Very unlikely that anybody is going to change the minds of anybody on this thread. No matter which side your on.

Post # 246
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Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: November 2011

I work in special ed, so this is a pretty hot topic for me. There is NO scientific proof that links Autism and vaccinations. I will say that it is a parent’s choice whether or not to vaccinate their children, but it has to be for personal reasons…NOT scientific.

I have one student with Autism whose parents publicly announced to the press that they believed there is a link between her diagnosis and vaccinations. HOWEVER, her sister was also vaccinated and does not have Autism. I just feel like you can’t pick and choose where to put the blame.

Post # 247
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Sugar Beekeeper
  • Wedding: October 2011

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@Not Blushing:  according to this small sampling of research, it is YOUR vaccinated child  who is a threat to the unvaccinated!

Sure, that makes tons of sense. *rolls eyes* I think it’s time to get some different sources. Seems like you’ve exhausted the one that you keep posting.

Post # 248
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Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: June 2010

Are there any stats that show vaxing vs non vaxing has gone up/down over the past few years? The internet makes the world really small-so it seems like a lot of people are not vaxing but is it the same as always and we just hear about it more because of the internet? I guess I could go look it up. lol!

Post # 249
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: March 2011

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@MightySapphire:  That was the analogy I’ve ever heard on this topic. 

 

I know some y’all are getting tired of this thread, but I want you all to know I really appreciate the discussion. 

Post # 250
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Honey Beekeeper
  • Wedding: July 2010

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@Not Blushing: Well your first link is quite obviously about as biased as it gets.

And you second comment comes from the National Vaccine Information Center which is also completely biased as being anti-vaccine and was founded by parents who believe (with no evidence) that the DPT vaccine gave their children brain injury/autism.  So again – not a reliable source.

Oh – and it has been shown over and over again that there is no link between autism and vaccines and Wakefield’s study was completely fruadulent and he’s lost his medical license.

Post # 251
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Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: July 2011

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@Not Blushing:

I won’t bother refuting your claims as there are more than enough people on here to do it for me. I will say that continuing to willfully toss around misinformation at this level is a really horrible thing to do.

Post # 252
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Honey Beekeeper
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@flamingred: Here are a few articles about it.  They reference studies completed by the CDC, National Immunization Survey, and the National Committee for Quality Assurance.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-20016869-10391704.html

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/the-hot-button/vaccination-rates-for-kids-of-affluent-parents-decline/article1787145/

http://www.childrensmn.org/web/whatsnew/197155.asp

I’m trying to see if I can find the actual studies that these articles reference.

Post # 253
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Honey Beekeeper
  • Wedding: July 2010

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@flamingred: Here’s the data from the CDC (tons of it).

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/stats-surv/nis/data/tables_2009.htm (2009 Data)

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/stats-surv/nis/data/tables_2010.htm (2010 Data)

The excel file that probably best shows what you are asking for is the “Difference Between Year – Year” document.

In general, it appears there were a lot of decreases from 2008 to 2009 rates and that most 2009 to 2010 rates stayed relatively steady.

You can find similar tables here (http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/stats-surv/nis/default.htm#nis) going all the way back to 1995.

Post # 254
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Worker bee
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@runsyellowlites: For a non-biased resource how about, I dunno, the National Academy of Sciences and the Institute of Medicine. Both are non-biased, non-government sources of scienctifically-backed information, brought to you by the best & brightest scientists in America. So… there’s that.

Post # 255
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: March 2011

@MightySapphire:  Oops… meant to say, that was the BEST analogy I’ve ever heard on this topic.

 

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