(Closed) Are you voting for women's rights?

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Post # 3
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: June 2013

the U.S. is a capitalistic country whose politics are unlike anyone elses. I voted Romney (early election absentee). I voted this because I don’t like the socialistic take that Obama has on this country. That said I voted whom I felt best for the position and others will do the same. niether Romney or Obama supporters are wrong it has to do with what they believe is best for the country. It can be hard sometimes to step back from our own political views and accept others when they are not the same as ours. thus debates.

Post # 4
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Bumble Beekeeper
  • Wedding: March 2012 - Pelican Grand Beach Resort

“really, does the average American NOT want universal access to health care?”

Apparently, the average American does not want this. It boggled my mind, but we’ve had “death panels” and “government take-over” etc. thrown in our faces. The Rpeublicans effectively branded universal health care as communism, socialism at the very least, and the Affordable Care Act–which is NOT universal health care or a government takeover and was originally a Republican plan anyway–as socialism too.

They’ve also convince vast amounts of people, my FIL included, that Planned Parenthood is an abortion factory and nothing else. Since Planned Parenthood told me I was pregnant without mentioning abortion once and gave me tons of useful information and referrals to help me have a healthy baby, I’m just utterly confused how people can think this.

Post # 5
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Bumble Beekeeper
  • Wedding: March 2012 - Pelican Grand Beach Resort

@LaTortuga:  You are entitled to your own political opinions, but not your own definitions, and Obama is NOT a socialist. If you think he is, then you must think Reagan is, because their platforms are very similar.

Post # 7
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Bumble Beekeeper
  • Wedding: March 2012 - Pelican Grand Beach Resort

@mtnhoney:  Well, we have this national myth that anyone can become super wealthy by just trying hard enough, so we as a society accept this lie that every poor person is poor because of his or her own decision to be poor. And then, despite claiming to be a Chrstian nation, we find it reasonable to leave those people to their own devices because it’s really just their own fault.

Post # 8
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: June 2013

@mrsSonthebeach:  I agree that Reagan is a bit socialistic. and no I don’t think Obama is a socialist i think his take on the country is to socialistic. I voted hope and Change last time…. I’m still hoping to see change that is actually due to the president.  the only changes I have seen are not what i consider to be in the best interest of U.S. Some disagree- obviously. Like I said though I’m not looking to debate because my vote is cast and Im happy with it. As long as you vote no matter who you vote for then you have held up your responsibility as an American of the U.S. I can live with my choice, vote for the choice you can live with

ETA as for your take on rich and poor I agree that our society leaves it to the devices of the poor and blames them but I also don’t think it is the goverment’s problem. This is a moral issue and there is seperation of church and state…
 

Post # 9
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Honey bee
  • Wedding: September 2011

Don’t get me started. There’s WAY too much corporate money in our political system, and it baffles me why people think this is acceptable. Plus, people are choosing their candidate based on sound bites and headlines from biased “news” outlets rather than on facts or research. While this happens in favor of both of the current Presidential candidates, it seems like (at least to me– a liberal living in a liberal city bordering a big swing state) the GOP is more adept than the Dems at stirring up a passionate reaction in potential voters based on use of certain key words and concepts. this election, it’s socialism; last time around it was gay marriage and family values. People then have a harder time seeing the broader issues when they’re up in arms over two guys getting married or some lady getting taxpayer-funded birth control (aside: funny how no one complains about taxpayer-funded Viagra).

I don’t understand why so few Americans understand how the political system works (how man of you know that DC residents do not get voting representation in the legislative branch despite paying Federal taxes?), or how money influences it, or what truly is at stake in this election (whoever is elected will most likely appoint one or more Justices Supreme, and where the appointee(s) lie(s) on the political spectrum will contribute heavily to how our laws are shaped).

Post # 10
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Bumble Beekeeper
  • Wedding: March 2012 - Pelican Grand Beach Resort

PS, can I just say I’m highly amused that this is the ad that shows up for me on the side of this thread:

Post # 11
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: November 2013

@mrsSonthebeach:  “You are entitled to your own political opinions, but not your own definitions”

 

Greatest. Line. Ever.

Post # 12
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: September 2011

@mtnhoney:  “The Rebuplicans want to make abortions illegal, but want to cut Planned Parenthood and access to birth control?? this doesn’t make any sense, and is going backwards from the advances we’ve made for women’s rights. You need sex education and access to birth control to prevent unwanted pregnancies, duh!”

I agree with your point of view, but you are overlooking the fact that (1) regardless of their personal views on abortion, most conservatives need to tow the party line in order to pander to their right wing Christian voter base and (2) most pro-lifers also disapprove of sex outside of marriage.  So, this is not actually an inconsistent combination of views.  Again, my views align with yours regarding this topic; I’m just explaining the cultural reasons for this political platform.

@mtnhoney:  “really, does the average American NOT want universal access to health care? it sure seems like a lot of the US bees wish they could have their babies in a hospital and not have a huge bill afterwards. wish that if they were poor or a student they wouldn’t have to pay for health care, but they would still be protected. This isn’t communism, people. This is how progressive countries care for their citizens.”

In Canada, you can’t spend your own money to pay for your own healthcare.  You have more limited choice about the type and quality of your care.  For some people, the issue is more nuanced than just whether or not everyone should have access to care because people who currently have coverage are concerned that the quality of their coverage will decrease.

@mtnhoney:  “as an outsider, it just seems like the Republicans want the rich in charge. is this what the average American wants?”

I agree with you here, but I don’t think the average red stater thinks about it in those terms.  They think that by voting for the Republicans they are supporting a smaller, less intrusive government and more conservative social values.

Post # 13
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Honey bee
  • Wedding: August 2013

I am voting for women’s rights. I do want universal health care. We’re not socialist enough if you ask me. 

Post # 14
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: August 2011

This was a somewhat difficult decision for me. I support women’s rights and am strongly pro-choice, but I decided to vote for Romney because I agree with him on other issues that I personally think are more pressing.

Post # 15
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Honey bee
  • Wedding: August 2013

@VAwife:  I’m not looking for an argument but I am curious what issues those are that you find more pressing? It’s OK if it’s personal and you don’t want to sy. 

Post # 16
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: December 2013

I am voting for all people’s rights, which is why I am voting for Gary Johnson. It seems to me that both Romney and Obama  desire to take away rights. In Obama’s case, he already has signed these things into law or acted on this in general.

It seems to me that Gary Johnson, and a couple other third part candidates, are the only ones who truly support basic rights.

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