(Closed) Arkansas Abortion Ban at 12 weeks

posted 6 years ago in Legal
Post # 3
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Busy Beekeeper
  • Wedding: October 2011 - Bed & Breakfast

The stupidity of lawmakers strikes again. Makes me glad I live in Maryland and will never have a reason to set foot in such a bass ackwards place.

Post # 4
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Honey bee
  • Wedding: April 2012

I don’t really know what to say to this. Just seems like certain people are trying to push their beliefs on people yet again. (Prop 8…)

Post # 5
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Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: September 2013

The sheer ignorance of our lawmakers never ceases to amaze me.

Post # 6
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Honey bee
  • Wedding: August 2013

Agreed with you, I think a lot of people will decide to terminate early to eliminate any risk, because they don’t get to develop any further without being disallowed. It may not decrease abortions, just increase how early they’re done.

A 6 or 12 week ban is so unreasonable it’s ludicrous.

I don’t care if you don’t like abortion, don’t freaking have one, let every woman make her own choice about her own body. It’s not even about morals or religion, it’s about the law — if you check the case of MacFall v. Shimp, you’ll see what I mean. It was a case in which a man wanted to use the courts to force another man to donate bodily tissues, as he was the only match. Without a donor, the man would likely die, but the possible donor didn’t want to donate.

The judge ruled that no person is obliged to give any part of their organs or tissues to another person, that if they do so, it must be entirely voluntary, even if the prospective recipient’s life depends on it.

Therefore, even if you see a fetus as a living human being with rights, the rights of the mother should still supercede those of the fetus. These bans are illogical and unjust.

And if we’re talking about drawing lines in the sand, 12 weeks is an awfully silly place to do it, you’re still basicaly in clump-of-cells territory… Not that I was planning to go there anyway (ew) but I definitely wouldn’t now. I hope more people think that way and tourism declines.

Another win for misogyny. 🙁

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Bee Keeper
  • Wedding: March 2014

Wow.

Honestly the only thing that surprises me about this is that it wasn’t oklahoma.

Post # 8
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Bumble bee

Where I live, they generally won’t even do an abortion until 9 or 10 weeks.

The vast majority of women who have unplanned pregnancies want them terminated right away, so it’s not a huge deal to me.  Some women though have dramatic life events that warrant a PT, and that option should be available to them at least until 24 weeks as far as I’m concerned.

Very few pregnancies are terminated after 12 weeks (<10%), and those that are are generally due to fetal development issues.  No one should force a woman to carry a developmentally handicapped baby to term, especially in an era when there is no public support to raise that child.

Post # 10
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Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: May 2012

6 weeks is insane, plenty of people don’t even KNOW they are pregnant at that point!

12 weeks though I thought is normal to be honest. I thought you could get an abortion for any or no reason in the first trimester, and there were more restrictions in the second (i.e. medical evidence that there could be a problem with the baby), and pretty much the only way your could get one in the third is if the mother’s life is at risk. BUT I haven’t looked into it in great detail to be honest because I have never been in a situation where I need to. I guess it probably differs by state though?

Post # 12
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: July 2013

12 weeks is still pretty early for most genetic and blood screening tests, which is a perfectly reasonable excuse to have an abortion (ie. your baby has a fatal disease, congenital heart defect, etc etc). 12 weeks is I believe the same abortion limit as Turkey…. think about that for a few minutes.

Post # 13
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Buzzing Beekeeper
  • Wedding: November 2013 - St. Augustine Beach, FL

@mrsSonthebeach:  Yet another reason I would never move to Arkansas. 

Post # 14
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Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: May 2012

@mrsSonthebeach:  Okay interesting, I didn’t realize you can do it that late. I think it makes sense, as long as the baby isn’t likely to be viable, I think you should be able to have an abortion, which I guess is probably sometime after 20 weeks, 24 I think?

I can’t believe in this day and age people keep trying to pass these laws, I just don’t understand the logic behind it. Aren’t we supposed to be getting smarter as a society, not more stupid? Things like this really make me think the movie Idiocracy has the right idea.

Post # 16
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Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: May 2012

@mrsSonthebeach:  Yeah, that is really scary to think about defining personhood from conception, that certainly would make the population explode! We would have LOTS of people making babies on vacation, that is for sure! 

An offshoot of this, as someone who has faith but is not very religious, I just don’t get the need to force your beliefs on other people. So you think abortion is a sin, big deal! Don’t do it yourself. If God judges people the way you do, they will get their time before Him and have to answer for their sins, and if they aren’t allowed the same afterlife as you, well more elbow room for you in the clouds! I just don’t see why some people feel it’s their obligation to save all the perceived heathens. And I hate that the mentality seeps itself into politics. Religious values should not be forced on others by law, it’s screwed up. You can get away with that in a theocracy, but it shouldn’t be the case in a republic/democracy. 

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