(Closed) Banning smoking in public (malls specifically). Thoughts?

posted 10 years ago in Legal
Post # 107
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Busy bee

@Woodstock:  There’s lots of trash on the ground. Are they going to do away with vending machines or tell people they aren’t allowed to have a bag of chips outside? I see more wrappers and food bags than cigarette butts around. I absolutely agree that it shouldn’t be an issue, common sense says dispose of it n the proper way, but people are just dirty and lazy.

 

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@pinkb:  I’m just thinking in a parking lot, you are breathing in fumes from cars, diesel trucks bringing in merchandise, buses. I mean if you want to breath in clean air, the mall is not somewhere you go to do so. I know this is just about smoking but to say they are polluting the air isn’t very fair when we are also being subjected to car fumes in those very same lots surrounding the mall. People in cars make it difficult for people who chose to ride their bikes everywhere to breath fresh clean air. Why should they be subject to the pollution cars create? I absolutely agree that people should not be smoking right by the doors. Its not fair and its inconsiderate.

Post # 108
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Bumble Beekeeper
  • Wedding: August 2012

I’d be totally fine with this ban. I used to smoke but now I just find it disgusting.

They tried to make designated smoking areas at my work place, but of course everyone just stands next to the doors still so you have to walk through the smoke cloud. If it’s windy, every time someone opens the door it sucks the smoke smell inside too. During the summer they will go to our little patio area and smoke and if you wear sandals in that area your feet get all full of ash. So lovely.

Post # 109
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Honey bee
  • Wedding: October 2009

@lovekiss:  oh I gotcha! You misunderstood what I was saying. What I meant was that, no matter if they agree or not, if its something that’s made a law, the fact that its private property is a moot point ( I always want to type moo point!). Law trumps private property rights.

I do get what you are saying though, and totally agree!

Post # 110
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Busy Beekeeper
  • Wedding: September 2010

As someone who suffers from asthma (probably as a result of my mom smoking while she was pregnant and then in the house when I was a kid), I think smoking should just straight out be banned in public places. I live in a city where I have to walk everywhere, and people are always smoking while walking. It’s really difficult to get away from it! And while we’re at it, could we require smokers to PICK UP THEIR BUTTS? It’s so nasty that smokers feel they can just toss them anywhere they want!

Post # 111
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: April 2011

@MissCallieJean: I dont particularly care for cars that create so much exhaust that I cant breath but I am not trying to start a debate on all pollutants. ( I actually cant stand them and I think every state should have emissions testing on cars. even though it does not stop the pollution it helps in a way but that is another discussion) I said I do not want to walk thru cig smoke, not breath completely clean air…which is pretty much impossible. I as a non smoker am not treated fairly in having to smell and breath in cig smoke when I am just trying to get from point a to point b wether that be at the mall or walking down the sidewalk or any place. I am also not treated fairly in the amount of breaks i am allowed at work because I do not smoke. Like I said life is not equal and fair all the time. IMO smokers should not be allowed to smoke outside of their house or car it is their choice to smoke (addictive yes but still their choice). The Mall parking lot is private land if they want to ban smoking, great, it is their choice because it is their land. Will it hurt their business from smokers sure it might, but it might help out their business with people like me who avoid places where smoking is allowed and not policed at all.

Post # 112
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Honey bee
  • Wedding: October 2009

@pinkb:  I was going to bring up the break thing too!! Total discfimination in almost every place when it comes to breaks like that!!! If you smoke, you get a break, if you don’t you are sol. 

Post # 113
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Busy bee

@pinkb:  Fair enough. But I also said in a previous post that I too have asthma and I don’t walk in an entrance that has many smokers in front of it. The mall (which is the topic here, not a street where you are walking behind someone) has many entrances that are close enough to eachother. Why not choose another entrance? Why do you have to walk through that door when there is another one just as close to your destination? If I don’t want to walk through the cigarette smoke I find a way not to. (this is not just directed at you pinkb) Just like if I don’t want to walk behind slow walkers in the mall, I move to the other side. If there are people smoking near one entrance why do you still choose to walk in that door?

Yes its private property so they can do what they want. I find it funny that they will still allow stores to sell cigarettes to customers and make money off it, but they won’t let the people that work there take a break and get their nicotene fix in at least a designated area. away from customers.

Post # 114
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Honey bee
  • Wedding: October 2019 - City, State

here’s a thought, since money drives peoplebusinesses….why not make smokers pay to get into designated areas. nothing unreasonable. but like a quarter or something. anyone not in that area gets fined 50 dollars automatically. I bet that would make people follow the rules. kind of like a parking ticket and meter parking. you want to park in certain areas you have to pay to do so. if you dont follow those guidelines you get fined. period. this would keep people away from entrances, keep nonsmokers happy, keep the smokers appeased since they can still smoke, make a bit of extra money off of it, keep the garbage and smells in one area, etc.

just a thought that popped into my head 🙂

i know its not the same but because kids were staying at parks past curvew to play basketball what they started doing was making them pay to keep the lights on if they wanted to play later than the dusk closing time of the park. they still had to obey regular curfew laws for minors but this allowed them to make some money off of the kids staying past park closing time andn let cops know when people were in the park past dark. the park remained open of course when they changed the rules but it just benefitted everyone to do this. thats what sparked the idea i had above

Post # 115
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: May 2012

@crayfish:  Ugh, I completely agree, no smoking in public places.  The last time I was in Boston I walked 10 minutes through the common to a restaurant, and it was just disgusting to me.  Every other person on the street was smoking.  If you want to kill yourself in the privacy of your own (childless) home, then fine.  But please stop smoking on the streets where I can smell it, and in your car with the windows down, because it gets in MY car.

Post # 118
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Blushing bee
  • Wedding: September 2015

I didn’t read through the entire thread, so forgive me if I’m repeating what has already been said.

All the laws here make smoking inside and within certain distances of doors illegal. Some are enforced more so than others. Usually, the distance is about 10 feet. Easy peasy to deal with.

Making smoking illegal on property to such an extreme as the OP stated is kind of a pain in the ass. Fiance is a smoker, a ton of our mutual friends are smokers. An amusement park here tried to stop people from smoking all over the (outdoor) property by corraling them in to “designated smoking areas”. Now, instead of occassionally coming across a smoker or a few smokers congregated together – a scenario I can easily avoid by walking around them – there are random pods of 40+ people jammed in together because they can not smoke anywhere else.

As a sidenote, the few posts I did read that were “Yay banning!” talked about health risks associated with smoking, but I didn’t notice any that mentioned smoking being an addiction. I may have (hope) I missed if/where this was brought up, but I think it’s important for non-smokers to realize. People don’t smoke to inconvenience you or your life, or exacerbate your existing medical conditions. People smoke because it is legal, easy, addictive and convenient for things like stress relief, etc. I’m not saying I necessarily agree with the reasons behind smoking, but I understand why people do it and I won’t condemn them for a choice that they are making.

Sorry. Blathering 🙂

ETA: More blathering. A further commentary on the designated smoking areas, since they seem to be a popular suggestion. If there are enough of them and they are dispersed, they could hypothetically work. But the two places I have been that had them were a) both outdoors and b) rife with them and it was a million times worse than letting smokers roam the grounds. You could smell them a mile away, and you would walk through a thick cloud of smoke just passing by because there were so many people trying to catch a break when they passed by the designated area.

Post # 119
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: December 1999

@berybery:  I am sorry that’s like giving a drunk driver a pass because they are an alcoholic. We all make personal decisions and if you choose to go somewhere that has rules about smoking and you smoke, then there is no need to complain about the rules. Stay home or go somewhere else that has a more likeable smoking policy. And I a non-smoker will make a personal choice to avoid those places.

Post # 120
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Blushing bee

I don’t think it’s a bad thing, however if you want to get freaking real about health and air pollution screw the measly smokers , let’s attack cars, factories, high energy users. I’m way more concerned about that.

Post # 121
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Honey bee
  • Wedding: October 2019 - City, State

@ieatunicorns:  ok no thats not like giving a drunk driver a pass. a drunk driver endangers people in a completely different manner. another driver does not have the choice to avoid a drunk driver if the signs of it are not obvious but a nonsmoker can easily avoid a smoker if they so choose. inconvenient? sure but its no more inconvenient than making a smoker go to a specific area to smoke. I am all for there being rules with smoking (as allll my previous posts stated) but saying its like a drunk driver is a bit much. a drunk driver is much more dangerous in my opinion and to compare the two is a bit dramatic imo

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