Post # 1
My Fiance is presbyterian and I am Catholic. We can not agree on how to raise our children. I think both our faiths should be represented. My problems is that as a catholic we have certain sacraments that are made at certain ages. I want to have our children baptized catholic as a baby like it is traditionally done, but can they also be baptized in his church as well? HELP!
Post # 3
What age is baptism done in the Presbyterian faith? The Catholic faith recognizes ANY Christian baptism as valid and holy. It’s not like other sacraments (like First Communion) that is Catholic-specific.
Post # 4
@babylou: are you sure about that? We had a bunch of people in our parish get baptised this easter (they were way older) and they had said they were baptised in another faith (i cant remember what) but they did it again so it was recognized by the catholic church. Maybe out parish does it a little differently. i just thought you had to be baptised catholic to be catholic. i could be totally wrong….
You might want to call you parish to find out what to do. Their are tons of rules with the Catholic faith (ones we arent even aware of sometimes). So the best bet would be to make a phone call and find out for sure. If anything it would be good to baptize your children as infants and then they can make the choice on which religion when they get older.
Post # 5
Presbyterian baptism is done anytime after the baby is born. Usually within the first year or two. New babies of members in our church are usually baptised around 7-9 months, but there isn’t a rule.
I didn’t know that Catholics accept other Christian baptisms as “valid”. Presbyterians generally don’t believe that salvation is conferred upon baptism (while I believe Catholics do) they are simply being accepted into the faith community.
And Presbyterian’s don’t have first communion of course. It’s left up to the parents to determine when their children are ready, though I believe some churches still have classes and encourage kids to learn a catechism. It’s not done in our church though.
So to answer your question, it would depend on the church and the minister whether they would feel okay about baptising both in the Catholic ceremony and into the Presbyterian church. It isn’t a necessity in Presby as it is in Catholicism.
Post # 6
Catholics accept any baptism as valid as long as it was done in “the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.”
For you, however, I would be more concerned about where you are getting married. If you are getting married in a Catholic Church, then the Catholic party (you) DOES agree (I believe it may even be a written statement that you sign,) to raise your children Catholic “to the best of your abilities.” And you have to fill out a special form to submit to the bishop to marry a non-Catholic. (It’s not a big deal, and your priest should be helping you with it.)
If however, you are getting married outside of the Catholic Church, you should know (and be aware I am not “judging,” I am just letting you know what the official teachings of the Catholic Church are!) you should know that the Catholic Church will not consider your marriage valid until it is legitimized (sorry I forget the exact word) in the Catholic Church. And until then, that will cause you further difficulties when you want to receive Communion yourself have your children receive sacraments.
Post # 7
@MrsJules10: Yes, I’m positive about this. My fiance just went through RCIA, so we spent a lot of time talking about the way different sacraments are accepted throughout different Christian denominations. He was baptized American Baptist, and though he did need to go through Catholic Confirmation, he did not need to be baptized again. This is also in line with what I was taught during 10 years of Catholic school.
@Crobi: You may want to talk to your parish priest, but I don’t really see the problem in having two baptisms. It would be redundant because they would both just be baptizing the baby in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (like @joy2011 said), but I can’t see the harm.
Post # 8
The Catholic Church recognizes baptism like Joy2011 said that are “trinitarian” ie done in the name of the father, son, holy spirit. So it would not recognize baptisms done in churches like Latter-day Saints or Jehovah’s Witnesses that aren’t done in the trinitarian formula. Also, a lot of people can grow up Christian without ever having gone through baptism. I know very religious protestants who have never been baptized!
The Catholic Church will not baptize someone who has already been baptized. Because it has already been done, the grace has already been conferred. There isn’t really such thing as a Catholic v. Protestant baptism (though some protestants believe that infant baptisms are invalid. But from the Catholic perspective, Protestant baptisms are just as valid).
Does the Presbyterian church do christenings or baby blessings? That might be a nice compromise.
As far as raising the kids go, you could have the kids join a presbyterian youth group or something. Then they could have the Catholic sacraments and also be exposed to other beliefs.
Post # 9
@red_rose: Is correct. As long as the infant/child/teen/adult is baptized in the name of the trinity, it is considered a valid baptism. Now, my concern would be well past baptism. The simple fact of the matter is… your children will be learning the same Christ, faith, love of God and man in either religion. The Catholic faith however does have a bit more “fullness” to it however so if you were to raise your kids as Catholic they wouldn’t really be “missing” the presbyterian way but if you were to raise the kids the other way there’s some key differences missing… The biggest of which is if you raise them to believe in the Eucharist… which is a childhood sacrament.
Not being able to agree on how to raise your kids is a HUGE HUGE HUGE issue. This is something that does need to be settled before hand, and settled properly. I can’t tell you how many people I know “settled it” before marriage and then once the kid comes one or the other goes back to being stubborn and fighting about it… This is not something to take lightly.
Baptism is entrance into the Christian faith as a whole. It’s not a Catholic thing, baptist, protestant, etc… We’re not talking Catholic vs Jewish… or Catholic vs. Muslim, etc… It is no different in any other CHRISTIAN faith… BUT.. once your kids are a little older… you will need to decide on Catholic sacraments. What about your wedding? Are you getting married in the Catholic church because that’s a huge deal as well.
The best advice I can offer is not to write this off, not to just try and appease… because this becomes a huge reason for a divorce in the future… And that’s def. not fair to your future children… Frankly, I couldn’t raise my children any other way and if I was in an interfaith relationship I couldn’t bend on that because they are still having the same foundational faith… but they would be missing on the grace of the Eucharist and that’s just not gonna happen for my kids. Luckily, my husband and I are on the same page… Because my own Salvation depends on my decisions… and now as a spouse his salvation depends on me as well. So will my children… so there’s a lot of discussing and work needing to be done there…
Post # 10
@babylou: It is absolutely forbidden by the Catholic Church to have more than one baptism. That is why we say in the creed, “ONE baptism for the forgiveness of sins…”
@MrsJules10: People who were baptized in another denomination and then later join the Catholic Church are *confirmed* at the Easter vigil, not re-baptized.