(Closed) BART strike – anyone else angry about it?

posted 7 years ago in San Francisco Bay Area
Post # 32
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: February 2015 - Mount Hermon

@crayfish:  Transit employees in New York, DC, Chicago, Massachusetts and other large metropolitan areas are FORBIDDEN to strike.  They can’t bring down the entire commute system of the area everytime they want to throw a tantrum.  We need that here!

BART employees are the highest paid transit employees in the country.  No reason for a strike.

Post # 33
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: February 2015 - Mount Hermon

@julies1949:  We get degrees for the sole purpose of getting jobs that will earn us more money.  BART employees only need a high shool diploma (actually, I don’t know if they even need that).  They do NOT contribute to their pension and pay $92/month for full health benefits regardless of how many dependents are on the plan.  If Mr. Duggar was a BART employee, he would be paying $92/month for his whole family.  That is what gets to me, even more than their outrageous salaries.  And they want MORE.

Riding BART is atrociously expensive, and it is not well managed.  I’ve ridden the NY subway system and it is FAR superior.  I was never scared on the subway.  On BART, I am quite often terrified.  I have been harassed by some exceptionally creepy men, seen fights, drug deals, and you don’t even want to know about the bacteria colonies that some biology students found growing in the seats (granted, they are fixing this one).

Now, they’re not striking because they know they would lose what little sympathy is left for them.  But they’re holding the possibility of a strike over the heads of the negotiators as a threat.  Commuters are waking up every day this week at truly ridiculous hours (because driving would take so long), checking the status of a strike, and praying that it’s held off for one more day.  It is unfair for BART employees to hold OUR JOBS hostage for their own greed.

Post # 34
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Blushing bee
  • Wedding: August 2014

I’m highly affected by the BART strike, but I think the negotiations have been a joke. I don’t agree completely with the demands, but I agree that they have a right to strike, and all this elitism pisses me off even more. Does their work not matter? I mean, the whole region has been waiting with baited breath every night to see if they’ll come to work – but somehow other overpaid folks, whom nobody would miss if they stopped doing their work, are ok to make 6 figures? Knock it off folks, your elitism is showing! 

Oh yeah, and the lead negotiatior for BART management has a bit of a conflict of interest – where’s the outrage there? 

BART Chief Negotiator Accused Of ‘Conflict Of Interest’

How about him leaving for Disneyland in the middle of discussions this week?

 

Post # 35
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: November 1999

@AllyCRN:  LOL @ that bacteria comment. My Fiance actually takes his pants off when he gets home and changes into sweat pants before sitting on anything. We refer to them as BART pants (like Sheldon Cooper’s “Bus pants”). I actually think the system is pretty decent. Sadly it doesn’t have more lines and doesn’t run past midnight. For the price, you’d think we get more. BART employees make far more than I do, and I have to commute via car to my job an hour + out of the city (oh how I LOVE toll booths), I reserve the right to tell all BART employees to please sit down and STFU. Fiance uses the BART daily and has been super pissed over the whole thing, even moreso when he needs to get to SFO and they are threatening to strike again.

I agree with the last paragraph you wrote completely. They’re greedy and have no sympathy for the rest of the Bay area that rely on the train to get to work. But that’s why they have so much leverage, because they know how much it effects other workers.

 

Post # 36
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Blushing bee
  • Wedding: August 2014

Interesting. I keep seeing folks upset because BART workers make more than them (as if they are somehow more valuable), but nobody complains about the ridiculous salaries BART management makes.. 

Post # 37
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: February 2015 - Mount Hermon

@havfrue:  I’m most angry about the pension and benefits situation, not the salaries.  A lot of people are overpaid, and a lot of people are underpaid.  But no one else gets to pay $92 for benfits, regardless of the number of people on the health plan, and no one else gets to not contribute to their pension.

Post # 38
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Blushing bee
  • Wedding: August 2014

I think it’s valid to scrutinize the demands and as an uninsured commuter, I feel that part the most, but I find the elitism of folks complaining that BART workers get too much “for what they do” “with only a HS degree”, etc, etc disgusting.

Post # 39
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: November 1999

@havfrue: That’s not even my complaint, it’s the fact that they are paid that much and they are STILL unsatisfied. Call JT and tell him to cry them a f–kin’ river because I’d love to be paid that much plus benefits. That said, if my tax money is helping pay their salaries, then I kind of expect them to do more than just sit around and push buttons, especially when there’s a lot with the BART system that needs to be fixed/improved.

Post # 40
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Blushing bee
  • Wedding: August 2014

Except that the fact that said repairs and improvements to BART are not done have absolutely nothing to do with workers, and all to do with management. 

They are for the most part, paid a market rate comparable to other major cities running this type of transit. They live in the most expensive city in the US, where frankly, 60k is not a lot. At all. And their salaries are mostly paid by revenue, not taxes – which is why when BART was screwed up financially 3 years ago, they gave back and took pay cuts worth 100 million, which they are trying to even out now that BART is running a surplus. 

Like I said, the whole region is waiting for them to show up to work – so they’re obviously performing a valuable service. Does all the Bay area stop if you or I don’t show up to work? I doubt it. Just think about that the next time you think they don’t deserve better conditions and security. 

Post # 41
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: February 2015 - Mount Hermon

@bapbap:  You mean like the fact that I can barely ride without getting harassed by some creeper?  Yeah, exactly.

@havfrue:  People should NEVER get paid based on how many people rely on them, they should get paid what they EARN.  And they don’t HAVE to live in SF.  They could live in any of the other cities in the bay area (and I’m sure many of them do) for much less (more than other areas of the country, but less than SF).  Like the rest of us, if we can’t afford where we’re living, we move to a cheaper location or find a better job.  They know they aren’t going to find a better job.

Post # 42
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Blushing bee
  • Wedding: August 2014

Hmm, actually – in general most of us get paid on how many people rely on or seek out our work. It’s called market value. 

 

Post # 43
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Blushing bee
  • Wedding: August 2014

And also – again, the rest of us didn’t collectively give back a hundred million dollars worth of salaries and benefits to help out BART. It’s not a straight money-grab. Maybe if you could get over a “button pusher” making a living wage – you could see the facts. And for the record – they don’t start out at 70,000 – they top out at high 60k’s. 

Post # 44
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: November 2013

@havfrue:  They abuse their sick leave and overtime policies which result in much higher wages.  They also make more than other metropolitan transit employees  Honestly, I look forward to the day that everything is automated without the need for operators on them.

So BART is officially back to striking.  I really hope this doesn’t last that long.

 

Post # 45
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: February 2015 - Mount Hermon

@havfrue:  I found out today that they only operate a train for 4.5 hours a day and get paid for 8 hours.  In addition, if they work 5 days in a row, the 5th day is considered overtime.  The majority of people work Monday through Friday and I don’t hear them complaining about it.  

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