(Closed) Big simulant diamond or small real diamond

posted 7 years ago in Rings
  • poll: 1 carat diamond simulant or 1/4 carat real diamond?
    1 Carat diamond simulant (asha,moissy,cz) : (167 votes)
    50 %
    1/4 Carat real diamond : (167 votes)
    50 %
  • Post # 77
    Member
    730 posts
    Busy bee
    • Wedding: January 2013

    @DANA84:  A couple other posters mentioned, and I agree, take your budget and start shopping pawn shops. In today’s climate you’d be shocked the nicer rings landing in pawn! You always have the option of purchasing Pre-owned and having stones re set or yellow gold plated to white, etc. 

    Best of luck! 

    Post # 78
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    751 posts
    Busy bee
    • Wedding: October 2014

    @DANA84:  I think you should go with what looks better on your finger. Who cares what stone it is? the important thing is that you like it and it looks good on you. 

    I would probably go for the 1 carat asha or a 1 carat white sapphire if you like the clear look but simply because I don’t like small stones on rings.

    Post # 79
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    10016 posts
    Sugar Beekeeper
    • Wedding: September 2012

     @DANA84:  

    I posted this recently on another thread, maybe it will offer some help here in your decision:  (Keep in mind that Asha’s are CZ’s):

    It CRACKS ME UP when people say CZ won’t stand the test of time.  Um, YES IT WILL – it’s very hard on the Mohs scale, harder than many  gemstones – so if an emerald, sapphire, ruby or other gemstone will stand the test of time, so will a CZ.  It’s nuts to think it won’t last for decades, if you know the Mohs scale.  CZ is almost as hard as moissanite, although less expensive, usually.  And even diamonds can break or chip, although they won’t get scratched.

    I have to point this out, because I own many gemstone rings, gems listed below, and so many Bees have gemstone engagement rings as well. 

    On the Mohs scale of hardness:

    Diamond – 10

    Moissanite – 9

    Ruby – 9

    Sapphire – 9

    Cubic Zirconia / Asha – 8.5

    Emerald – 8

    Morganite – 7.5

    Aquamarine – 7.5

    Tanzanite – 7.5

    Garnet – 7.5

    Amethyst – 7

    Peridot – 6.5

    Nobody ever tells the owners of gemstone engagement rings, “Oh, it will get cloudy and won’t last.”  All of my gemstone rings, listed above, have lasted me for 10 years or more, with regular wear, and are still sparkly and beautiful.  And plenty of them are set in sterling silver, also perfectly durable and will last just as long as gold, especially rhodium plated sterling silver.  Sometimes silver, depending on the thickness of the ring, will last longer  than gold because gold is a very soft metal.

    For the record, my engagement ring and wedding ring are diamonds and platinum, so I feel certain they’ll last me a lifetime. 

    But I CRINGE whenever I see someone pointing out to a Bee who has a CZ engagement ring that hers “will not last” or “will get cloudy with time.”  It is simply inaccurate to say that and unless we start pointing that out about all gemstone e-rings it’s unfair to the owners of CZ rings to point that (false information) out to them.

    Post # 80
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    4943 posts
    Honey bee
    • Wedding: July 2012

    @Sweet.Sugar.Rose:  Yours is one of my favorite rings here on the bee!

    Post # 81
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    1284 posts
    Bumble bee
    • Wedding: October 2012

    Real diamond all the way!

    Post # 82
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    83 posts
    Worker bee
    • Wedding: September 2013

    Get the smaller diamond from a place with a 100% upgrade policy (there are many reputable places, especially those that sell super ideal cuts that will look better than anything else anyways). 

    In a few years or if circumstances change you can always get a larger stone and get credit for your investment. 

    Post # 83
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    Bee Keeper
    • Wedding: June 2014

    I’d choose a simulant.  I have a diamond and I love it, but my Fiance spent 2.5 years saving up to get me a diamond.  Personally, I wouldn’t have cared – I was waiting on the Amora Gem!!  But, I was very specific about the size I wanted (over 1ct) and that it was important to me more to have a bigger rock even if it’s not a diamond than to have a diamond, if it was going to be tiny.  So, if I have to pick, it would be a simulant or diamond alternative over a 1/4ct diamond.  No offense to anyone who does have a small diamond, it just wasn’t for me. 

    Post # 84
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    Sugar bee
    • Wedding: November 1999

    With CZ, hardness is not the issue when it comes to cloudiness; it’s porosity.  Carbon packs very tightly and thus is relatively non-porous, as opposed to zirconium.  I have definitely seen cloudy CZs online and in person.  YMMV.

    Post # 85
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    1784 posts
    Buzzing bee
    • Wedding: September 2013

    @Sunfire:  Huh.  I always thought CZ got cloudy over time because it was porous and absorbed a lot of gunk.  I did some googling, and apparently that used to be true, but isn’t anymore.  Learn something new everyday.  Found this video from Wink, who’s known for very high quality CZ.

    Post # 86
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    245 posts
    Helper bee
    • Wedding: August 2014

    If I were in your shoes I’d lean toward the smaller diamond mainly because of your hesitancy. It seems like women who buy the Moissanites do so for ethical reasons or they know without a doubt that they want a larger gem for the bling bling factor. But either way they  KNOW that’s the gem for them. Because your on the fence it seems like it would bother you to have a gem other than a diamond. How do you think you’d handle all of the attention on your ring as you start to let people know you’re engaged?

    Diamonds will also carry their value forever. I’m not sure what the resale value of Moissanite or Asha gems are compared to the original purchase price. Anyone have an idea?

    Post # 88
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    10016 posts
    Sugar Beekeeper
    • Wedding: September 2012

    @Jabberwocky:  The CZ that came out in the 70’s was kinda fake looking and obviously poor quality.  It’s come a really long way since then as far as durability and quality.  In fact, CZ is routinely used instead of diamonds these days in a lot of scientific applications, it’s even used by NASA.  It’s an excellent diamond substitute and most jewelers can’t even tell the difference unless they use a loupe to inspect it.

    I’m not pushing CZ or anything, I just get so irritated when I see false info being thrown around.  CZ is just as good as any other gemstone.  I have a pair of CZ 2ct. earrings that I love and they look exactly like my diamond earrings.  😉

    Post # 89
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    Sugar Beekeeper
    • Wedding: September 2012

    @MissPurplePurl:  Diamonds will also carry their value forever.

    That is not true, diamonds retain hardly any of their monetary value over time.  Diamonds are like buying a new car – you know the moment you’ve paid the price and walked away from the car lot or jewelry store they’ve lost a great deal of their value immediately. 

    But, as a diamond owner/lover myself, I say buy what you want and love it. 

    The sentimental value of diamonds is the only value they carry forever.  They are very durable, though.  I own many; my e-ring and wedding band are diamonds set in platinum, and I have other diamond jewelry set in both white gold and yellow gold.  I love them all, but I’m not deluded that they have retained the monetary value of their original cost.  Ask any jeweler if they’ll pay you what you paid for your diamond and they’ll tell you the resale value of diamonds is pretty horrible.

    Post # 90
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    245 posts
    Helper bee
    • Wedding: August 2014

    @Sunfire:  That is not true, diamonds retain hardly any of their monetary value over time.  Diamonds are like buying a new car – you know the moment you’ve paid the price and walked away from the car lot or jewelry store they’ve lost a great deal of their value immediately. 

    Really?! I never heard that before. I thought that diamonds and gold always held their value. It will fluctuate a few dollars but not by hundreds, right? Why would a quality diamond not be worth the same as when you purchased it? Why are those mine cut diamonds so much money? So many question!! Surprised

    Post # 91
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    Sugar Beekeeper
    • Wedding: September 2012

    @MissPurplePurl:   I’m not a diamond expert by any stretch.  Hopefully some of the diamond expert Bees can answer your questions better than I can. 

    I do know diamonds never hold their monetary value and you’ll never get what you paid retail for diamonds if you try to resell them, even within a short period of time.  All fine jewelry has an extremely high mark-up.  Because it’s relative – something is worth what someone is willing to pay for it, it doesn’t necessarily hold instrinsic value.

    Collect diamonds for sentimental reasons and no other.  They are a terrible investment as far as monetary value goes.

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