(Closed) Born in the USA… And what happens next

posted 6 years ago in Pregnancy
Post # 61
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: November 2012

Thank you for sharing! That is very interesting and definitely something to keep in mind if/when I’m in the situation.

Post # 62
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Bee Keeper
  • Wedding: March 2014

Last I heard, American women make $.75 to a man’s dollar. I think we should be given paid maternity leave on the basis of that alone–we are already paying a penalty for having a uterus, we might as well be given the opportunity to use it with as little inconvenience and discomfort possible.

Post # 63
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Busy bee

Think ppl need to remember in the age we’re in women are expected to do it all. It’s not possible. Give me maternity leave with my baby anyday over working to make other ppl richer. A career won’t be sitting beside you on your deathbed.

Post # 64
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: June 2012

Zhabeego:  And this is why your country has the maternity policies, and healthcare policies that it does.

I’m Canadian. US maternity policies (or lack there of) scare the ever living crap out of me. I am SO thankful that I live in a generous country where I can take a year of maternity leave to give my child the best start, and also to recover. That first year was SO valuable to me, and will be such an important time in my life, for the rest of my life. I will gladly pay my higher taxes to ensure other families get that same benefit.

I honestly wouldn’t have had children if I lived in the US. When looking at medical care costs, and lack of mat-leave, it just wouldn’t have been an enjoyable experience.

 

Post # 65
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: June 2012

ChantelleC90:  “If there are issues that require you to go off work prepartum the time you take off eats into your 52 weeks.”

<br />Not necessarily. with my first pregnany, I was put off work at 6 months due to severe medical issues. I had an additional 15 weeks sick leave on top of my 52 weeks Mat leave. It was a god-send.

Post # 66
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Newbee
  • Wedding: April 2014

urchin:  thats great 🙂 but if you aren’t in a union or someplace with banked sick leave that would be the case… not everyone is that lucky 🙂

Post # 67
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Bee Keeper
  • Wedding: March 2012

gingerkitten:    As long as you saved up your money and don’t expect the government to pay you for taking the time off, then sure stay home as long as you want, i could honestly care less.  What slays me is the… waaaa i had a baby so i should get the government to pay for me to have time off group.  It’s not working in other countries , they are reducing day care subsidies.  

 

 

Bette_Noire:  It’s not the job of the government to take care of you, it’s up to you, work hard and get ahead and you can persue any dream you have.  If it sucks here so badly why are people trying to still get here from EU countries.  It’s the only place on the map where you aren’t locked into a station in life, if you want it you can achieve it. 

Post # 68
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Busy bee

HisIrishPrincess:  ” It’s the only place on the map where you aren’t locked into a station in life, if you want it you can achieve it.”

 

Really? Did not realize that Canada had an enforced caste system…

Post # 69
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Bee Keeper
  • Wedding: April 2012

HisIrishPrincess:   I”f it sucks here so badly why are people trying to still get here from EU countries.”  

The flow of immigration from the EU to the USA is dwarfed by that from the rest of the Americas and Asia. Only 8% of the 1m immigrants to the USA in 2012 came from Europe, hardly an enormous proportion.

“It’s the only place on the map where you aren’t locked into a station in life, if you want it you can achieve it. “

Actually, the USA has some of the worst social mobility in the world… If you want to move from your “station in life”, you’re much better off moving to Canada.

Post # 70
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: November 2000

HisIrishPrincess: In a democracy, the governement is the people, or it’s supposed to be. There is social mobility in many places, not just the United States. The so-called “American Dream” is lived out in many places around the world.

I value living where the common good of everyone is valued, where it’s not assumed that attaining wealth is a virtue and that all poverty is deserved. I value living in a society that has safety nets, that values higher education for all. I’ve lived outside of the States for twleve years and will not return. I know how much better life can be outside of it where people don’t believe everyone who’s not at the top of the pile just didn’t try hard enough. I did work hard. I did get ahead. And for me, that meant getting the heck out of the US.

Post # 71
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: June 2012

ChantelleC90:  I think I misunderstoon your comment. I don’t work for  a union or have sick leave banked with my employer. The Government paid the additional sick-leave …same as my mat-leave. 🙂

Post # 72
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: October 2010

urchin:  Sorry.  I just don’t get the entitlement that says the government or your employers owe it to you to finance your personal life choices.  Those resources don’t grow on trees – its real money that has to come from somewhere and that money isn’t limitless.  Its not up to the government or your employer to make sure your kid has the best start – that’s up to you.  

In the US, you get three months of maternity leave.  You can apply any accrued sick/vacation to that three months and the rest is unpaid.  So save for that time.  Quit if you want more time.  Why is it up to anyone else to provide for your wants?  

Taxpayers in the US already pay an exhorbitant amount of federal and state taxes and a very big chunk of that money goes to public schools and other entitlement programs.  I don’t object to that.  I’m all for an educated society and a social safety net for people in genuine need.   But I do object to gimmee pigs demanding more, more, more because like children, they think that becasue they want it and would enjoy it that means they deserve it.  I object to peole who drain the system out of choice rather than necessity

I participate on another board where a woman talked about how she was receiving WIC while pursuing her PHd.  She was married , her husband worked and she and CHOSE not to work.  Then she CHOSE to have another baby on the taxpayers dime and just suck more resources away from people in actual need.  And she felt totally fine with this because she “deserved” it.  You increase the entitlements, you also increase the numbers of POS’s out there that are more than happy to shirk their adult responsibilities and line up with their hands out.  

It would be great if the government gave everryone a year’s leave anytime they took a notion to do whatever the hell they want.  Hell, why not give everyone a four bedroom house with a pool and a personal chef?  I could list allllll kinds of benefits to society but that’s not the point.  The point is, you are supposed to earn your own way.  You are supposed to provide what’s best for your baby yourself. That’s not cruel – that’s being a grown-up.  And peple in the US do it successfully every single day.  I know plenty of working Moms.  I know plenty of SAHM’s.  

Oh, and by the way, what about all those people who don’t have kids?  They just get to pay for others to take their baby vacations year after year?  They get to take up all the slack at work AND finance it.  Yeah, that’s fair.  

Post # 73
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Newbee
  • Wedding: April 2014

urchin:  Oh wow! That’s  lucky, many people I know who have had complications with pregnancy have been taken off work at 30 weeks lets say, still recieved their 52 weeks maternity but it started at 30 weeks not when the baby was born. I guess there are some loopholes and grey areas that if your doctor knows them youre golden!

Post # 74
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: October 2010

gingerkitten:  “I don’t feel that a proper recovery and some time to bond with your new baby are “entitlement”. Do some countries offer more time than most people need or would use? Sure. But that doesn’t make the concept alltogether evil.”

Its not.  Asking everyone else to finance it for you is. 

Post # 75
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: June 2012

Zhabeego:  Wow, you obviously have a serious issue with our form of social system. Better stay in the US!

I’m happy with our system. It works here in Canada, and we’re not falling apart or at war over it.

We just have a different mentality here I suppose. We don’t mind caring for one another. It enables more people to have a better lifestyle. A lot of importance is put into parents being able to participate in their children’s lives… because those children will grow up and be who we leave our world to. We put more value here in looking after one another as a whole, rather than ME and only me.

Every system has it’s flaws. Our’s is not perfect, but it works for the people who live in this country. I don’t believe that you’ve lived in Canada, or have an extensive knowledge of how “drained” these policies are making us. It’s all presumptions.

Many, many countries have similar or better policies. It must be working in some capacity then!

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