Post # 17
In live in the OC and there were sooo many Yes supporters around and Im am just shocked that there are so many that want to discriminate peoples’ lives.. I voted No and will continue to. ONe day we will all look back and think ‘wow I cant believe we banned gay/lesbian/people to get married!’
Post # 18
I honestly believe it was the red herring advertising they did. For those of you who didn’t have the ‘privledge’ of being in CA and watching it, the "Yes" people were essentially scaring people by telling them if they didn’t vote yes, thier childern have gay marriage shoved down thier throats and, obviously, that would make them gay. (hopefully you all get my extreme sarcasm and disdain here). This actually had absolutely nothing to do with the Prop, and it is just scared, sad people who are terribly afraid that once gay pople are allowed to get married the world will end as we know it.
52% is sooo close though, especially compared to how poorly Prop 22 fared several years ago. Hopefully we, as a state and country, will realize how awful this is and rectify it soon.
Post # 19
see the movie "Jesus Camp". it’s a documentary which talks about how religion is seeping into Politics. Very scary
Post # 20
I thought it would be close… but I was genuinely surprised that it passed! I wouldn’t have been surprised that a proposition legalizing gay marriage would have failed, because I would expect many people to be unwilling or disinterested in actually standing up for gay rights. But I’m surprised that so many people *actively* voted to ban gay marriage. I’m shocked that so many people were willing to declare that they absolutely do not want gays to be able to legally marry. Bulldoggrl gave a good explain how the proponents succeeding in creating fear, but I am still surprised that so many people fear it.
Post # 21
- Wedding: September 2008 - A tiny town just outside of Glacier National Park
I can’t believe this crap. What a downer. 🙁
Post # 22
obama winning the presidential election was great (:D)
but the passage of prop 8 in california is quite sad…surely it was a miscount?…we might like to think…it is a sad day when two people who want to get married can’t…
Post # 23
I am so incredibly bummed about Prop 8. What happened to ‘equality for all’? What happened to the separation of church and state?
I have said it before- and I will say it again- the government has NO BUSINESS making ANY decisions regarding my uterus OR my marriage. They are sacred to me- and me alone. And I would be glad to allow that same thought be shared and granted to everyone else.
I am so tired of the government using marriage (and abortion rights) as a politcial tool.
While I am not a member of the LGBT community- I am so saddened by the perpetuation of discrimination.
Not only did the opposition distribute lies- they went to the extent of taking funds donated by CHURCHES to have planes flying overhead during SCHOOL HOURS (elementary, junior high and high schools specifically). The banners read "Protect Marriage".
Many of my neighbors in a predominantly republican community verbalized they were incredibly confused by the way the proposition was written. Many said they didn’t realize if they were voting for or against it.
I hope those in opposition of Prop 8 will ban together to be allies to the LGBTQ community, to eradicate ALL discrimination of every form. Marriage isn’t just about the body. It is a bond between the mind and soul.
Post # 24
After hearing what the Mormon Church did, pouring large amounts of monetary support into Prop 8, I want to start a referendum rescinding the LDS church’s status as a religion in California. Let’s see how they like government discrimination thrown their way.
Post # 25
There is already a petition underway. Please contact me privately if you are interested in getting the information or signing it. I don’t feel that it is appropriate to post political petitions in a Weddingbee thread… and I have many, many good Mormon friends who I love and respect, so this brings me into tricky territory.
Post # 26
I wasn’t going to comment on this thread because I don’t believe in being a sore winner, and honestly, I didn’t feel like being called a bigot, narrow minded, or a homophobe.
But I seriously want to know what is going on with this petition — what EXACTLY did the LDS church do? Was it illegal? If it wasn’t, then I’m sorry, but there is NOTHING WRONG with what they did. They fought for what they believe in, just like those who wanted to see Prop 8 struck down. And if it did go against their tax exempt status, I would be proud to see them and any other churches give up that status in order to continue their efforts. I believe in separating church and state, but I don’t believe in separating religion and politics. My beliefs are my beliefs and I (and I bet this holds true for the LDS members as well) refuse to compartmentalize them; to hold something in my religious beliefs that I won’t allow to inform my public life.
I find this petition to be frightening to say the least. Those who support it are the ones who are infringing on church/state separation. Look it up — that phrase came about for the protection of THE CHURCH, not the state.
Post # 27
I appreciate your point of view December, and understand that we all hold different views– some even within our own families.
I’ll just quote the IRS tax law to show where things went wrong and hope that clears things up.
Section 501(c)(3) describes corporations, and any community chest, fund, or foundation, organized and operated exclusively for religious, charitable, scientific, testing for public safety, literacy, or educational purposes, or to foster national or international amateur sports competition (but only if no part of its activities involve the provision of athletic facilities or equipment), or for the prevention of cruelty to children or animals, no part of the net earnings of which inures to the benefit of any private shareholder or individual, no substantial part of the activities of which is carrying on propaganda, or otherwise attempting, to influence legislation (except as otherwise provided in section (h)), and which does not participate in, or intervene in (including the publishing or distribution of statements), any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for public office.
Post # 28
"I believe in separating church and state, but I don’t believe in separating religion and politics."
See, these are actually the same thing, so sorry I don’t see your arguement here. Voting Yes on Proposition yes isn’t about your public life, it’s about putting legislation into effect in the STATE that specificly discriminates against a specific set of people. You are absolutely right that people, including the LDS are entitled to their opinion, but Prop 8 simply discriminatory in every sense and they are deriving their discrimination from their RELIGION.
This is why I left Weddingbee…too bad the morbid curiosity got the better of me when I came over to see the response, or allowed response from the election and Prop 8.
Post # 29
I’m a conservative and I’m for love and marriage..for everybody!
Hopefully the grandfather clause will stick.
We are who we are. Enough said. Wishing love and hope to those impacted by this.
Post # 30
I’m with you, December.
I voted Yes on Proposition 8 and would do it again if I had the chance.
For the record, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints did not donate any funds to the Yes on 8 campaign. Members of the church voluntarily donated of their own money and time, as did many other individuals across the country from all different faiths (or no particular faith at all) and demographics.
Post # 31
If I were American I would vote Yes on proposition 8 a thousand times over, if possible. My personal opinion is that its sad to see the world reverting to leviticus-style immorality. Also, a hundred years ago homosexuals went to jail… today paedophiles go to jail… so whats going to happen in a hundred years? scary.