(Closed) Charges for leaving kids in a car

posted 7 years ago in Legal
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  • Post # 17
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    Bumble bee
    • Wedding: December 2014

    @AB Bride:  Where do you live? I’ve never heard of the no minimum age for babysitting thing here in Ontario, but then again nothing surprises me in this province anymore.

    How long were they alone for?

    A 9 year old is NOT old or mature enough to watch a younger child, even for 5 minutes. There is a reason that the recommended age for babysitting is 13-14 and up, and for only a couple of hours max.

    Anything can happen in those 5 minutes, especially in a car, and while it is running (you said it was on, right?) If the car has the gear shift between the two front seats, it is very easy for it to be moved into neutral (most models require the brake to be pressed for it to be shifted into drive). If the car is a manual transmission, it is very easy for a curious child to crawl to the front and release the parking brake. Manuals don’t have PARK as a gear option, just neutral + brake.

    I’m pretty sure it’s an offence in itself to leave a car running with your 9 year old inside and no other fully licensed driver in the vehicle (in that case, since they’d be over 16 all would be fine).

    This is complete negligent behaviour on the part of the parents. Leaving your kids alone like that contitutes child abandonment, especially under the age of 10, according to Ontario CAS:

    http://www.oacas.org/childwelfare/faqs.htm#alone

    To be really honest, if people are taking their kids out for errands they should follow them everywhere. If they don’t want their children with them, then they need to find suitable care for them for the time the parent will be gone. And if they can’t find care, parents should take the child with them or not go out at all. There is absolutely no middle ground here, especially when it comes to the safety of a child.

    Post # 18
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    Bumble Beekeeper
    • Wedding: November 1999

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    @Aelie:  At the risking of sounding judgemental, I think that is the wrong thing to do. (And I once had kids exactly those ages). It might be illegal too. Kids potentially wriggling out of their harnesses or getting tangled in them… or the car being stolen because the keys are there… no. You really need to find someone to watch the kids while you go to the bank. Or struggle in with 3 kids (I would put two in the stroller and trust the older one to walk with me). Or send your partner to do it. Or use the ATM after hours when the kids aren’t with you.

    I have no problem with leaving sleeping kids in the house for a few minutes though. I’ve done that myself.

    Post # 20
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    Buzzing bee

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    @paula1248:  I think it is wrong too. 

    And I can’t help but think of the 6% of moms in the other thread who wouldn’t let a 10 year old use a restroom in a mall by himself while they stood outside waiting.  They would REALLY take issue with this. 😉

    Post # 22
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    Buzzing bee

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    @AB Bride:  Maybe one of them will comment and we can see what they think. 🙂

     

    Post # 23
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    Helper bee
    • Wedding: November 2013 - Garden

    Leaving 2 kids in a car for half an hour unattended is A LOT different than leaving them in a room in your house unattended. For one thing, your house can’t roll away and hurt or seriously kill the passengers and people around it.

    Post # 24
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    Bumble Beekeeper
    • Wedding: November 1999

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    @AB Bride:  But the issue with parked cars is they can overheat if they’re in the sun. Also, what if the car’s engine stalled? Then the A/C cuts out and the 2 kids are stuck in there. (Even if the 9 year old can get out, I don’t think a 9 year old would have the presence of mind to unbuckle a 2 year old.). At the risk of sounding overly dramatic, she’s trusting the kids’ lives in the A/C.

    Post # 26
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    Bumble bee
    • Wedding: December 2014

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    @paula1248:  I think it’s wrong too, and like I said in my first post, negligent. Leaving sleeping kids in the house, locked of course, for a few minutes is okay but I would still be nervous. I would bring a baby monitor with me. I would go outside but not farther than a monitor or walkie talkie could reach.

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    @AB Bride:  Okay, should have picked that up from your name! Babysitting courses in ON are only offered for teens 12+ as well. I believe it is also recommended that your child be at least 12 before you let them stay home alone, like after school or something.

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    @FLBlonde93:  I haven’t seen that thread but if the washroom is busy, I don’t see an issue with that. I also don’t see an issue with taking your under-10 son into a women’s washroom, if he needs to pee and you’re not comfortable letting him go by himself into the men’s room.

    Post # 28
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    Bumble Beekeeper
    • Wedding: November 1999

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    @AB Bride:  If a 9 year old is that responsible, he or she is mature enough to come in the store with mom anyway! And a 2 y.o. can just go in a stroller.

    Post # 29
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    Bee Keeper
    • Wedding: December 2011

    Around here every summer a few kids or babies die in the car in the heat,  it doesn’t take that long to get oven hot (like over 120f in the car) if the ac is off. I *migh* leave a 9 year old in the car alone watching the dvd player for less than five minutes, but to me,  after all the stuff we see happen to kids in the car alone,  rolling away,  over heating etc,  it isn’t worth it.  Especially not leaving a 9 year old responsible for the toddler sibling. I think  about 12 or older depending on the maturity of the kid is old enough to be alone/watch another kid. And you  can bet f I see you leave your little kids in the car (assuming it is on) I will watch to see you come back,  if your car is off and I see a kid, heck or a pet,  I am breaking you windows and calling the cops if it is more than about two minutes. 

     

    Post # 31
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    Buzzing bee
    • Wedding: June 2017

    I think the issue here is that the car was left running and unattended.  That 9 year old could be really mature and able to baby-sit… or he could also be really immature and think it’s a great idea to go for a joy ride.  It’s not just the endangerment of the kids’ lives, but potential others’ lives.  Not to mention the possibility that the car could be stolen- hey, the keys were left there…

    I think the hazy maybe ok area is if mom (or dad) was in the area of the car, like dropping off the mail at the post office or something simple.

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