(Closed) Charges for leaving kids in a car

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  • Post # 32
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    Bumble Beekeeper
    • Wedding: November 1999

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    @AB Bride:  I think the problem is more the 2 year old. Whenever these cases of overheating children in cars come up, it’s always babies or toddlers. A 9 year old would be able to get out. Though I still wouldn’t do it. (Mainly due to other fears like abduction or wandering off).

    (Though I must confess to doing it once – I left the car sliding door open. Kids aged about 4 to 9. I was gone about 5 minutes. Immediately after I decided it was wrong).

    Post # 33
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    Busy Beekeeper
    • Wedding: October 2015

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    @AB Bride:  Nope. The 9 year old is too young to be left alone in a running vehicle. I was babysitting at age 11 and was pretty mature. That said, at 9 a kid might not think to unbuckle the baby and carry it to safety if the engine stopped. S/he might think it’s fun to get in the front seat and play with the engine (my sister did this at age 10 when given the keys to go get something out of the car! The car ended up in the middle of the street!). Just because they were sitting their calmly doesn’t mean they would have stayed that way. Someone could decide “HEY! Unsupervised kids in a car with the keys in the ignition- I’m gonna take the car and possibly the kids!”. If the A/C stopped working and the car slowly got hotter the 9 year old might fall asleep/pass out before thinking to get out. 

    There are really too many dangers. I would absolutely have charged the parent with reckless endangerment, particularly if it was a hot day. 

    Post # 34
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    Helper bee
    • Wedding: October 2013

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    @paula1248:  actually my 6 year old can unbuckle my younger ones and get them out of the car, she does it regularly to help me out

    and yes, I do feel it is wrong to leave them there and I am a nervous wreck every time I do it. Which is really not that often, few times a year. As for a stroller, it’s practically impossible to get a oduble stroller inside of my bank. I tried once and I was hitting every wall/door with the damn thing. Never again.

     

    Post # 35
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    Buzzing Beekeeper

    @AB Bride:  I used to wait in the car for my mom when I didn’t want to go in. I know times are different now. I never had this “booster seat” when I was a kid either and I could sit in the front seat if I want to. Either they didn’t care about us “back then” (and I am only nearly 26) or they have found some new ways to generate revenue.

    If the car was on, that means temperature control was probably on too. I don’t agree with leaving kids or animals in a car when it is too hot or too cold or if the children are really young. However, if you have temperature control on and the doors locked, I don’t see why people get so up in arms. I made it and I turned out okay.  

     

    Post # 36
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    Sugar bee
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    @HappySky7:  This. I will NEVER leave my children in a car. The risks are not worth it. Whether it is too hot or cold, locked or not, etc.

    There’s always the risk the car could catch fire, which happens more than you’d think, so thinking that leaving kids in a car turned on is safe, is insanity!

    And what about other motorists? There’s also the possibility your car could be struck while parked.

    I just don’t think it is ever acceptable to leave your children unsupervised in a car.

     

    Post # 37
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    Sugar Beekeeper
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    @AB Bride:  I agree with you–I would trust a 9 year old in the (on, air-conditioned car) with a 2-year old. Just for five minutes.

    Post # 38
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    Bumble Beekeeper
    • Wedding: October 2010

    I have a 10 year old and a 2 year old.  I would NEVER leave them in a car OR at home alone.  I might leave the 10 year old by herself for 15 minutes while i ran to the store, but I would be taking the 2 year old with me.  That is irresponsible.

    Post # 39
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    Busy bee

    No to people who think the 9 year old can supervise the two year old. Just no. Most adults can barely maintain control over one of those creatures when they decide it’s time to have a fit or shove buttons in their mouths or decide it’s time to escape and run into traffic.

    NO.

    And for people who complain about difficulty navigating a stroller around places? Don’t buy a stroller the size of a shopping cart. What happened to the good old crappy hammock seat on frame strollers? When did these behemoths become a necessity?

    Post # 40
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    Helper bee
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    @Bracelet00:  I feel this is directed at me so here goes … I didn’t buy it, it was given to me. It’s a double stroller that I take for walks. I really don’t think crappy hammock seat on frame will make my 2 kids comfortable while taking a stroll through the park. 

    But I get. I am excusing myself from this thread. I am a terrible parent because I trust my 6 year old to watch my younger ones and because I dare to leave them in cars. And how dare I buy a giant stroller.

    *sigh*

    Post # 41
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    Bumble Beekeeper
    • Wedding: July 2013 - UK

    I think it totally depends.

    In other news, I was watching a documentary about UK policing during the 1960s a few months back. In one scene, two small children were walking down a country A road with no pavement. The youngest was still wearing a nappy under her dress, and the oldest couldn’t have been more than 5. The policewoman stopped and asked them if they were lost. When they said they were not, and they were just going to the shops, she left them alone.

    A bit later, a scene showed policemen and women arresting teenagers, who were sat in a cafe drinking tea and eating slices of cake. Their crime? They were out after dark, and were near to an area in which “reefer was known to be sold”. They were all taken to the police station, and their parents were informed.

    I say this to point out that standards are changing all the time… I personally cannot imagine a world in which a pair of pre-schoolers are allowed to walk down A roads alone, but teenagers are picked up by the police for drinking tea in a cafe after dark.

    Also, most children will not die horribly if you leave them alone for 5 minutes in a car.

    Post # 42
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    Busy bee
    • Wedding: August 2015 - Backyard Forest

    People just need to calm down – everything is taken to the extreme these days. When I was a kid I sat in the car waiting all the time, often by choice. Just because some kids have been inappropriately left in cars in the heat/too long – doesn’t mean it is ALL wrong. 

    Same with dogs in cars. I wouldn’t leave my dog in the car now merely because people are just so crazy about it. 

     

    Post # 43
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    Sugar bee

     

    @AB Bride:  I once had my best friend go off on how I was a terrible parent for leaving my two year old in the car while I ran into the gas station to get a snack. Like really? If you’re gone for a couple minutes, I don’t see the big deal, especially if my child is asleep, I’m not gonna wake her up to get a drink or go into the post office. Going grocery shopping is another story.

    Post # 44
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    Sugar Beekeeper
    • Wedding: November 1999

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    @AB Bride:  There’s a big difference between leaving a child alone at home and leaving a child alone in a car. Not to mention the minimum age law, which looks like in Canada ranges from 10-12 (http://www.childsafecanada.com/faq.aspx)

     

    These days I would not leave my child alone unattended in the car for 2 minutes. Way too many creepos out there.

    ETA – there’s a big difference between running into the bank where you can see your car for 5 minutes and could be out to them in a second and going into a grocery store with no windows for 30 minutes. This woman did the latter and deserves whatever penalty she gets.  Personally though I wouldn’t do either.

    Post # 45
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    Bumble bee

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    @MrsPanda99:  same.

    My sister and I would stay in the car forever if we didn’t want to go grocery shopping with my mom. We’re 4 years apart…so I’m sure by 5 and 9 we were def playing GameBoys or reading or beating each other up unsupervised in the car. We lived, we were raised with common sense and could handle it, people should know whether their kids can handle it. Aside from these extreme temperature cases, in which case I think the parents should be horsewhipped, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with it. Flame me all you want, but seeing a big ass 7 year old in a car seat would bother me as much as seeing him/her in the car alone lol.

    Does anyone remember the Babysitter’s club? I’m pretty sure Jessica and Mallory were only 11 and they were sitters to their siblings and plenty of other kids 🙂

    Post # 46
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    Bumble bee

    @AB Bride:  I feel bad enough leaving my dog in the car if I go in to pay for gas. I always leave the car on so it’s temperate and I can see the car – I’m in there for like less than 5 minutes and I still feel like that is wrong for me to do.

    But my dog is not ALLOWED to go into the gas station with me. You can take a child pretty much anywhere you can go. It doesn’t matter if it’s inconvenient or it takes longer or whatever, take them in with you.

    P.S. I’m not condoning leaving an animal in a car just because they’re not allowed in the store/bank/whatever. I’m just saying when you’re traveling sometimes you have no other choice but you still need to be responsible about it. When you have kids, you always have the choice to take them in with you.

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