Post # 1
I would like to start charting as I am planning on taking the minipill but I read that the minipill only supresses ovulation in about half the menstrual cycles. So, I am not sure I really trust the minipill yet and would like to learn how to chart just to see what is going on.
1. I know FF is used for people who are TTC and not TTA, but I thought people used charting to TTA so can someone tell me the difference in how people use the same information for 2 different goals? I know that TTA falls under other methods (like NFP/FAM) but they are using the same information…right? What is the difference between the FAM and using FF or other apps like that?
2. I know night wakings and other irregularities can affect things. Anyone have any experience? I just got my period back yesterday (7.5 mo old baby- Boyfriend or Best Friend 1x before bed and 1x over night and pump 3x during the day; Boyfriend or Best Friend all weekend) and I still wake at least once, maybe twice a night. So CD2 should be this morning and I took a temperature at 3:45 am (after about 3-3.5 hours of sleep) and it was 98.6. I read that up to 99 is within range…but does 98.6 seem a little high for CD2?? I am guessing this is a good time to take it, as my baby (usually) wakes up between 2-4am and wants to eat. I go to bed 11-11:30pm but sometimes (like last night) she is extra naughty and wakes up crying at midnight for no reason.
3. Haven’t started the minipill yet, but would that affect the temperature/outcomes? I wanted to make sure I wasn’t pregnant before I started the minipill and (thanks to my last pregnancy) I have paranoia I will mistake implantation bleeding for my period. So needless to say, I am wanting to test (again) in 4-5 days to rule it out lol. I took a HPT last night for fun and it was negative.
Should I really just trust the minipill with no other protection??
Post # 2
1. Yes, TTCers and TTAers use charting to obtain the same information – when do you ovulate, therefore indicating what the fertile window is. TTCers are active during this window, TTAers avoid intercourse during this window. Fertility Friend and similiar apps are exactly for FAM/NFP – charting to determine your fertility to help prevent or promote pregnancy.
2. Keep temping at the same time of day upon waking. If there’s a day where you were not really sleeping for 3-4 solid hours before taking that temp, just make a note of it in your chart. It’s impossible for us to say if your temp on CD2 was too high, every body is different. Once you’ve been charting for a while you’ll get to know your “normal”.
3. Again, every person will have different temps, I can’t say whether or not taking the pill will impact that. A woman that does ovulate should see a clear temp shift after ovuation. If you are not ovuating due to being on the pill, I’m not sure if you will still see that temp shift. Progesterone (progestin) is what raises your temp in the luteal phase so since the minipill is all progestin, that may cause you to have a higher temp throughout your cycle and not see a shift in the second phase.
The minipill definitely has a higher failure rate than traditional estrogen/progestin combination pills. If you are charting in addition to taking the pill, you have a much better chance of avoiding pregnancy. But if you are really concerned about it, you might consider a more reliable option. Is there a particular reason you are going with the minipill? I know it’s suggested for women that breastfeed as the estrogen in other pills can impact milk supply.
Post # 3
I guess I was thrown because I was on FF and it said it should only be used for people TTC. They said “The principles of chart interpretation for pregnancy avoidance and pregnancy achievement are significantly different and unfortunately not just the reverse of each other.” So I guess I was confused, I thought it would be that they were just the reverse of each other. I would imagine you would figure out when you normally ovulate and avoid Xdays before then.
Thanks, I will have to see what is “normal.” I guess I figured 98.6 doesn’t have very much higher to go before you hit 99 so it seemed high to me. Was wondering what other people’s “normals” were.
Honestly, I’d love to be on the regular combo BCP (what I was on before I went off and got pregnant) but I am BFing so I cannot take regular BCP until I’m done. I am too scared of a copper IUD because I had very heavy periods before BCP (like I could have had a blood transfusion- that heavy and frequent) and am just too terrified to have something that could actually make them heavier. I’ve heard Mirena, but I figured I should test out the minipill first in case it affected my milk supply (not unheard of for minipill to lower your milk supply- even though it’s not supposed to).
So not many other options besides condoms or the minipill. I figured charting+minipill might be good.
Post # 4
TTA charting comes in a bajillion different forms; that being said, the only ones I’m familiar with (not FF) will be affected by taking the pill and have skewed results. As far as I’ve ever heard, hormonal BC and charting are sort of an either/or choice, rather than an “and” option, because a lot of charting, especially to avoid, requires looking at your CM. CM changes based on your hormones, which the pill will throw off, thus could messing up your results. I’m taking a guess here that temps would also be thrown off kilter by the pill, since they also change based on hormone levels during the cycle, but someone who’s more knowledgable about temping will have to confirm that.
Post # 5
CoffeeBeanKate: You’re probably right. It’s a little unnerving to hear that minipill prevents ovulation in only about 50% of cycles. So I figured you could see if it was happening to you if you charted.
Post # 6
kes18: I used ff when tta after coming off the pill (ttc now). I charted my temps, used opk, and tracked my cm and cp. I basically wanted to get an understanding of how my cycles worked, so it was helpful to start with all of these. Dh and I used condoms until my ovulation was confirmed each cycle. I always set ff to fam, and seeing a positive opk around the time of the temp spike gave me a bit more confidence that I did in fact ovulate. We are on cycle 4 ttc now, and I feel like I know my cycle well enough now to plan Bd during our fertile window. So…for me it was helpful to chart when tta!
As far as night wakings go – I am such a light sleeper and knowing I had to temp at say 6am made me a very restless sleeper. I realized I was waking up around 2am each night (after a 3-4 hour stretch) and have just started to temp at that time. I would suggest seeing what your natural waking times are (or the babies) and just temp aa consistently as you are able.
Post # 7
BeverlyGeese: I’m glad to know that worked for you. I had to imagine you would use the same information- just avoiding those days before instead of having sex. I wake up anywhere form 3-4am each day and usually asleep by midnight at the latest so that would hopefully give me at least 3 hours. It was 3:15 last night and 3:45 the night before.
Post # 8
kes18: We did not avoid, just used a barrier method. I think avoiding would be hard especially if you are not ovulating the same day each month! Different methods of nfp will tell you to avoid, but we chose to do otherwise and never had any scares. Everything I have read says to temp at the exact same time each day – but I admit mine will vary by 30 minutes some nights. It hasn’t made any difference in my charts, though!