(Closed) Christianity post, opinions?

posted 5 years ago in Christian
  • poll: Do you believe they are in and the same?
    I believe Jesus is God (explain please and your religion) : (64 votes)
    48 %
    I believe they are two different but connected entities (explain please and your religion) : (29 votes)
    22 %
    I believe both but in a different sense that we wont understand until we are there (explain please) : (14 votes)
    11 %
    I believe something different (explain please and your religion) : (25 votes)
    19 %
  • Post # 3
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    Bumble bee
    • Wedding: November 1999

    I’m a lifelong Christian (formerly Catholic, now non-denominational) but not by any means an expert theologist, so if my terms aren’t quite right I hope someone adds on.

    A pretty common Christian belief is that God is made up of three, um, persons: the Father, who people typically think of as “God”; the Son, Jesus; and the Holy Spirit, who is the part of God that actually lives within believers. So, they are all God, but sometimes when people think of who God is they think of God the Father.

    Does that make sense/help?

    Post # 4
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    Sugar bee

    This is the concept of the Trinity, the idea of one God in Three Persons (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit). I, personally, am Catholic, but belief in the Trinity is pretty widely shared throughout most Christian denominations. Almost all Christian baptisms use the words, “In the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit” – the Trinity, the three Persons in which God is manifested.

    Scripturally, look at the beginning of the Gospel of John: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” In this passage, “the Word” means “a divine revelation,” in other words, Jesus Christ, the way that God revealed himself as a human.

    Another way of thinking about it: it’s often said that “God is Love.” That’s not just a trite Hallmark cliche’ – look at 1 John 4:8. However, love doesn’t make sense in isolation – love has to be shared *between persons* in order to even exist. So a way of understanding the Trinity is to think of God the Father, God the Son, and the Holy Spirit as the love that is shared between them. That entire relationship is an expression of God.

    There’s a famous story about how St. Patrick explained the Trinity when he brought Christianity to Ireland. He used a shamrock as an analogy: three leaves but a single plant – each leaf is separate, yet they are all connected and together they form one unity, one shamrock. God is the same way: the Father, Son, and Spirit are all distinct, but they are intimately connected to one another and all together form one God.

    Post # 5
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    Busy bee
    • Wedding: December 2023

    It’s a difficult one, because noone can fully understand God.

    I believe that Jesus was fully man – but also fully God. He was God made flesh.

    I think that most places will tell you that Jesus is God – which is to do with the Trinity. That is: God is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. God being made up of three aspects. I haven’t found any Christian who says otherwise.

    There are a lot of references within the Bible to Jesus being God.

    John 1:1 – In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God… 1:14 – And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us

    John 10:30 – Jesus answered them, “I and My Father are one.” 

    Philippians 2:5-7 – Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bond-servant, and coming in the likeness of men.

    1 Timothy 3:16 – And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

     

    I find it difficult to wrap my head around it, so I can’t explain it in a way that is good enough. This link might help though: http://www.desiringgod.org/resource-library/articles/how-can-jesus-be-god-and-man

     

    ETA: I am non denominational, but spend time working with people from Catholic, Protestant, Baptist, Methodist and Anglican churches. All those who I have spoken to believe the same thing about Jesus being God 🙂

    Post # 6
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    Busy Beekeeper

    @pinkgreenandyellow:  Darling Husband and I have been on a church hunt and I had to knowingly smiled at your church count!   In any case, to answer you question:  I believe Christ is God.  The doctrine of the Trinity (how the Father, Son, Holy Spirit are three beings/personalities/functions yet one) is difficult one to grasp.  I grew up in a non-denominational setting, but I’m fairly certain most of the mainstream denominations believe the same thing (Christ is God).

    I did a super quick google search and found this site that has tons of references.  I haven’t gone over it with a fine tooth comb, but it does appear to be solid.

    Specifically:  In John 10:30 Jesus states:  “I and the Father are one”  (the context is him talkign to religious leaders about his claim to have authority from God).

    Here’s the link… I hope it’s helpful!http://www.tedmontgomery.com/bblovrvw/JesusGod/index.html

    Post # 7
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    Buzzing bee
    • Wedding: December 2013

    The PPs are right in that the Trinity is a common denominator throughout all Christian religions.

    When I explained the Trinity to my kids I told them to think of a hot apple pie cut into three equal pieces. The pieces are separate yet the filling is all the same and blended together. Three In One. 

    Post # 8
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    Honey Beekeeper

    I’m Protestant (Methodist) and believe in the Holy Trinity of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. They are one Lord, but appear in different manifestations.

    Post # 9
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    Bumble Beekeeper
    • Wedding: March 2012 - Pelican Grand Beach Resort

    Formally, unless you are of an Eastern Orthodox faith, you should believe that Jesus is God because that was the determination of the Council of Nicaea. All Catholic and Protestant faiths follow the Nicene Creed, in which God, Jesus, and the holy spirit are of one and the same substance. In the Eastern Orthodox faiths, they are of similar substance, but Jesus and the Holy Spirit are derivitive of God.

    So if you believe what you say you do, you’ll need to find a Greek, Russian, or similar orthodox church.

    Post # 10
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    Honey bee
    • Wedding: October 2018

    My friend always described the Trinity like a three-leaf clover. Each leaf is a manifestation of God – Father, Son, Spirit – but it all still makes one thing. That’s what I’ve always agreed with. 

    Post # 12
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    Bumble bee
    • Wedding: December 2013

    @mrsSonthebeach:  Exactly.

    To add to this Jehovas Witness and Mormans also have different view of the relationship between Jesus and God than other Christian sects.

    Post # 14
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    Buzzing bee
    • Wedding: April 2018

    I’ve never been to a church that did not teach that Jesus is God. The Trinity is a fairly universally-accepted tenet of Christianity.

    I think that some of the PPs have done a good job of illustrating the concept of ‘three persons, one God.’

    I will add that there are many places directly in the Bible that do proclaim Jesus as God. For example, in John 20: 27-28-

    “Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”

    Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!””

    Jesus himself also says in John 10: 30, “I and the Father are One.”

    In Colossians 2:9, the passage reads, “For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form…”

    And then there is the famous passage from Isaiah the prophet, “For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”

    There are more examples of the deity of Jesus in the scriptures, but those are a few.

    (I’m not sure that it particularly matters, but the church I attend is Protestant, and not affiliated with a particular denomination, but our pastors are ordained the in the Presbyterian Church of America.)

    Post # 16
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    Bumble Beekeeper
    • Wedding: July 2010

    From my understanding Jesus is God, he is a form of God.  The holy spirit lives in you, as another form of God.  The three are all one in the same.

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