(Closed) 'Christmas without christ' signs at work.

posted 6 years ago in Secular
  • poll: Is this inappropriate for the workplace?
    Yes, definitely. : (280 votes)
    77 %
    Perhaps a little. : (44 votes)
    12 %
    Not really. : (19 votes)
    5 %
    No. It's completely fine. : (23 votes)
    6 %
  • Post # 32
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    Busy bee
    • Wedding: June 2013

    I am of the belief that religion should stay firmly out of the workplace, whether it is pushing your beliefs (atheism included) or denigrating someone else’s and I would get HR involved. This sort of thing is not acceptable in the workplace.

    That said, I do see Christmas as a Christian holiday. Sure, lots of secular people “celebrate” it as well and have co-opted it for their own purposes (eg family reunion, presents etc) and don’t observe the religious side of it at all. I don’t have a problem with this per se. But if you’re going to observe the secular side of the holiday, I don’t see how you can get offended by the religious aspect of it when it is a religious holiday to begin with.

    Honestly, I think Christians have more right to be offended that the secular world has turned one of their sacred holidays into a commercial grabfest  and forced them to observe politically correct greetings, no manger scenes at malls etc than non-Christians have the right to be offended when they go out “Christmas shopping” and get angry when carolers from the local parish wish them a “Merry Christmas” instead of “Happy Holidays.”

     

     

     

     

    Post # 33
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    Bumble bee

    I agree the signs shouldn’t be in the work place at all but I wonder.. Christmas is a day only to celebrate the birth of Christ. That is what it is for and why it is celebrated. If your not Christian and don’t believe Christ was ever born or real why would you celebrate Christmas?? I think there are better ways to spread christs love and posters like that aren’t doing it. 

    Post # 34
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    1119 posts
    Bumble bee

    @Summer_Rose:  I agree 100% the day is for Christ and non believers try to make it into something else which is equally as wrong

    Post # 35
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    Bumble bee
    • Wedding: November 2013

    I’m agnostic, but was raised evangelical.

    I freaken love Christmas, and the nativity story is my absolute favourite thing in the world. I go to my Mormon in-laws Church events and sing in their choir during December because I love it! I am the prime audience for a poster like that – someone secular, yet really does like the “Christ” aspect of Christmas.

    I find those signs hostile and wholly inappropriate. Ignoring the fact that Christmas was an appropriation of a Pagan holiday.

    I think this feeds into the bizarre blend of Christian privilege combined with a persecution complex this country has going on. Just watch Fox and their huge dramas over people daring to acknowledge the myriad of religious holidays going on at this time of year, and not exclusively acknowledging Christmas.

     

    Post # 36
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    Sugar bee
    • Wedding: September 2015 - Ketchum, ID

    @ZebraPrintMe:  I’m religious, but I’m annoyed by the person who put the Christ sign up, more than the person who put the without Christ sign up. Not because of my views, but because it kind of just feels like they’re trying to start a fight. 

    Post # 37
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    Sugar bee
    • Wedding: September 2015 - Ketchum, ID

    @Summer_Rose:  I kind of disagree. I get a little bit bothered by it when people tell me “merry Christmas” rather than “happy holidays”. There are other holidays in December besides Christmas, and not everyone celebrates Christmas. How would you feel if someone went up to you and said “Happy Hanukkah”? 

    Post # 38
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    Sugar bee
    • Wedding: May 2014

     I would have to put up my own signs wishing everyone a blessed winter solstice!

    Post # 39
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    Bumble bee
    • Wedding: April 2014

    @ZebraPrintMe:  I’m surprised work allowed them to be put up – that wouldn’t fly at any of the places I have worked.

    Post # 40
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    Sugar bee
    • Wedding: April 2013

    I voted not really by mistake! This behavior is highly inappropriate I think people should keep their relegion or lack of relegion to themselves at work.If I go to work I’m there to work and not to spew my views on relegion or politics.

    I also really wish people would educate themselves about christmas. Christmas is a mish mosh of various pegan relegions and winter festivals that were celebrated late december, that were put together, then you have the chruch coming through and wanting to convert people, which was made easier buy not doing away with all of their histyory and annual traditions. Also Apparently what came to be known as CHRISTmas was controversial for a large period of time within the church.

    Post # 41
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    Busy bee
    • Wedding: June 2013

    @mrspinesol:  Very flattered 😉 Maybe it’s because I grew up in a country with 4 official languages, many more unofficial ones and many religions. We wished everyone a “happy new year” 3 times a year. It was great. Everyone got a holiday each time no matter what religion you actually celebrated.

     

     

     

     

     

    Post # 42
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    Bumble bee
    • Wedding: July 2013

    @ZebraPrintMe:  I think it’s completely inappropriate. The workplace is not an appropriate venue for the airing of religious grievances! If they’re going to allow that, surely the non-religious people are allowed to counter with, say, pro-choice signage or ‘I love Richard Dawkins’ stickers or whatever. HR should definitely know about this.

    Post # 43
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    1218 posts
    Bumble bee
    • Wedding: July 2013

    @ceebree:  Yeah, in your case it would probably be more appropriate. I went to a Catholic university, and while I strongly disagreed with some of the signage I saw (I walked in one day to see a massive banner encouraging students to attend an anti-abortion rally and ‘pray for the dead babies’), I realise that at a Catholic institution they’re pretty much free to display that sort of thing. 

    Post # 44
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    Bumble bee
    • Wedding: November 2015

    @ZebraPrintMe:  Completely inappropriate. I don’t know what sort of employment laws you have in the UK, but you should speak with the person in charge of HR at your business about the signs. They have no place in the workplace.

     

    @TwoCityBride:  +100000000000!

     

    Post # 45
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    Buzzing Beekeeper
    • Wedding: September 2013

    Unless you work in a church it’s inappropriate.

    Post # 46
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    Sugar bee
    • Wedding: February 2015

    @OnceUponATime:  only because you mentioned that you feel strongly that christmas is about the birth of christ. my post was not meant to be an attack! I apologize if it seemed as though it was. I agreed with the rest of your post, which is why the only reply I had was to the first statement.

    I also am surrounded by many uneducated christians who legitimately do not know that Jesus was not born on December 25th. I had an ex best friend who argued for an hour with me and my roommate at the time that Jesus wrote the Bible. I am aware (and grateful!) that many bees are indeed well educated. It was simply the only comment on a comment I had to make =)

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