(Closed) 'Christmas without christ' signs at work.

posted 6 years ago in Secular
  • poll: Is this inappropriate for the workplace?
    Yes, definitely. : (280 votes)
    77 %
    Perhaps a little. : (44 votes)
    12 %
    Not really. : (19 votes)
    5 %
    No. It's completely fine. : (23 votes)
    6 %
  • Post # 77
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    Bumble Beekeeper
    • Wedding: July 2013 - UK

    @ZebraPrintMe:  Out of interest… do you work in central London? Just wondering what type of workplace this is…

    Post # 78
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    245 posts
    Helper bee

    Seriously, I don’t get what the fuss is all about.

    I am a Christian, but I don’t celebrate Christmas for the reasons some have given above (i.e. its non-Christian origins), and I also don’t care what signs others put up concerning the holidays.

    If I worked with you I’d just shrug at the sign, have a little chuckle inside at how ignorant the one who wrote it is (there was no “Christ” in “Christmas” to begin with) and just eat my lunch as usual.

    I didn’t vote in the poll because you didn’t provide an option for people like me, which is “Meh”

    Post # 79
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    Buzzing bee
    • Wedding: May 2013

    @MariContrary:  Absolutely +1000!

    This sort of assertive Christianity is rarely appropriate at work. As indeed would any other assertive, faith based statements be. And I write as someone who is fairly horrified at the way Christmas has been turned into a materialistic horror show. Not that I am a Christian, I hasten to add. But I do know that if I went around a workplace putting up signs that harangued people about Christians stealing Pagan holidays, it would not end well.

     

    Post # 80
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    Helper bee

    @Rachel631:  Are we talking upset over Happy Holidays? I don’t get why this is offensive. I mean, I understand why people think they need to be offended, but the holiday season about more than just Christmas. There are multiple holidays around this time, and holiday is derived from the old English “holy day”. Sure there are people who use it as a political statement against Christian Christmas, but in all honesty it’s including all sorts of celebrations when you wish someone happy holidays! Holiday does not replace Christmas, as Christmas is but one holiday. How is wishing someone a happy anything offensive? I use both happy holidays and Merry Christmas. Happy holidays, for me, covers the period of time before Christmas, and Merry Christmas is for Christmas and Christmas celebrations. I do not use happyholidays as a political statement, it’s just how my family did it. Long before it became PC. It’s the Christmas and Holiday season, but Christmas is only one day. To me, it’s kind of like wishing someone happy birthday when it isn’t their birthday or party. Or happy Easter before Easter. I am sure other people don’t find it weird, but it’s just how I was raised. If you wish someone a happy birthday before you always say early birthday. So I guess I could say Merry Early Christmas, but that sounds weird to me.   

    I love Christmas, and it hurts when people say negative things about wishing someone happy holidays and assume its being done to be politically correct. It’s not my fault that people caused such negativity around a cheerful holiday saying, so why should I change my well wishes just because people are offended that I didn’t wish them a merry Christmas two weeks before it is actually Christmas?

    Post # 81
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    Sugar bee

    @ZebraPrintMe:  I am not religious and signs like that bother me. 1) they have no place in the work place. And 2) Christmas has nothing to do with Christ for me. Christmas for me is about family time and togetherness. I love Christmas carols and Christmas trees. There’s just something about the time or year, the spirit of it all. It’s magical.

    However, I believe that Jesus was a regular man. I believe that he existed. I believe that he had a following and that some guys wrote some exaggerated stories about him…like many other great men in history. The stories about him have given hope to many people for many years. And that’s all great. But I don’t celebrate his birth on Christmas (and the guy wasn’t even born in December anyway) I celebrate my life with my family and this wonderous planet we live on.

    Post # 82
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    Bumble bee
    • Wedding: April 2012 - Chateau Briand

    @MexiPino:  agreed! If you have an hr office they would be your best bet. At least if whoever put the posters there sees an hr rep taking them down, he or she should get the message it is NOT okay to do that.

    Post # 83
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    Sugar Beekeeper
    • Wedding: November 1999

    I wouldn’t be bothered by it because I generally just for five a shit lol but I don’t think it’s appropriate at all.

    Post # 84
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    Helper bee
    • Wedding: June 2013

    @Schrodingers-Car:  Oops, you beat me to it, I was going to say that! 

    Post # 85
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    Busy bee
    • Wedding: August 2012

    Last time I checked, Christmas is celebrated for ONE DAY.  Jon Stewart said it best when he said that Christmas was, essentially a birthday and to say Merry Christmas all throughout December, Jesus would just be like, “It’s not my birthday, dude.” Completely inappropriate for the workplace.

    Post # 86
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    Helper bee
    • Wedding: October 2013

    @MissSweetiepie:  You do know that Christianity totally stole ‘Christmas’ from the pagans, right? It was originally a midwinter festival that had f-all to do with Christ.The evergreen tree was brought into the house to symbolise life as it stayed green throughout the year, feasting was done as the harvest was over and lights used to illuminate the darkness of the winter months. None of that has to do with Jesus. Seriously. He was born in the autumn anyway. It’s the same for Easter, which is basically about sex.You’d think the eggs and rabbits and chicks would be a clue… I take part in Christmas (as an atheist) because I see it as a wonderful thing to give gifts, get together with family, and celebrate life together in the longest, darkest hours of the year. I call it Christmas because that’s the word that is now used to refer to it and is the name I grew up with, but it is not about religion for me. 

     

    Op, I’d complain to HR. The workplace is not the place for someone to try and force religion on others. 

    Post # 87
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    Bumble Beekeeper
    • Wedding: July 2013 - UK

    @LynnSnow:  For me, the answer would be that “Happy Holidays” is an all encompassing term which means “I hope you have a happy Christmas period and New Year”. I do use the term, especially if I am sending cards which will be received after Christmas, because it’s a blanket term to cover the whole time period.

    What I do object to is when people discuss “winter holidays” at school, or cancel nativity plays and things. You know what? Multiculturalism, to me, means that you learn about and celebrate all the holidays.. not that you censor them. You have kids of other faiths in the same school? Great! You can teach them all about each other by celebrating all the festivals. I still remember making Divali lanterns at school as a kid. Kids love that kind of thing!

    I also hate the motivation behind some people renaming Christmas… not only does the pedant/anal retentive in me scream “that’s not the right name!” but I don’t like the motivation of some people. They do it just to make a mean spirited point, and it’s like pissing on my cornflakes at a special time, to be honest. If someone who I knew had good intentions did it though, I wouldn’t take offence.

    I mean, there are problems with Islam in Malaysia which I am sure that some Americans would find reminiscent of Charismatic American Christianity… but they do do plenty of things right there, as well. The celebration of communal meals for a variety of religious holidays is a great idea. And they don’t censor any of the activities around those holidays, either.

    @Steampunkbride:  “I write as someone who is fairly horrified at the way Christmas has been turned into a materialistic horror show.”

    Ugh. Absolutely. Awful awful awful, and my number one problem with this time of year. To be honest, if I saw a sign saying “put the Christ back in Christmas”, my initial thought would be that the message would mean “stop buying your ungrateful, bratty kids rubbish toys, and maybe do some charity work and be thankful for what you have for once”. But that’s just the way I would read it initially…

    @Demi-chan:  Although your timings are correct re Jesus’ birth (probably late Summer, although some plump for Spring), I’m not 100% sure about Easter. The eggs and things symbolise rebirth, and there may be some pagan borrowings in there as well.

    I do know, however, that you aren’t right about the tree! Christmas trees are a relatively modern invention, brought to the UK by Prince Albert, Queen Victoria’s husband. They date from the early modern period… not early paganism.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_tree

    I know that because Darling Husband really loves Victorian history. He really fancied his old history teacher, so he remembers ALL her lessons. It’s a bit creepy, TBH!

    Post # 88
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    Sugar bee
    • Wedding: September 2015 - Ketchum, ID

    @padme:  I don’t think it’s offensive, but the original person I was talking to said they have more of a right to be offended by it than non Christians? Why? everyine has an equal right to be offended. I personally don’t like people saying merry christnas instead of happy holidays because everyone that I know who does that are extremely Christian people who ignore the fact that other holidays exist, because they believe Christianity is the only way. 

    Post # 89
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    Sugar bee
    • Wedding: September 2015 - Ketchum, ID

    @Mrs. Myrtle Beach:  coming from someone who doesn’t celebrate the Jesus part of Christmas — it’s because Christmas is fucking awesome and we felt left out. I see it as a joyful time of love and merry and family quality time. It’s the best time of the year. 

    Post # 90
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    Buzzing Beekeeper
    • Wedding: March 2014 - Chicago, IL

    It’s inappropriate.

    I would take them down at night when no one is around, and the next day when someone asks what happened I’d say, “I don’t know, it must have been a Festivus miracle.”

     

    Post # 91
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    Helper bee
    • Wedding: May 2015

    @Summer_Rose:  I was raised Jewish. It has always bothered me when people said “merry Christmas” to me because they just assumed I was Christian. It feels marginalizing. Obviously they don’t mean to offend, they just assume I’m Christian because most people are in the US, but it still feels marginalizing.

    I guess what I’m trying to say is this— in your earlier post you say that you don’t get offended when people wish you a happy Hanukkah or Kwanzaa, in fact, “you like it” because you like to learn about/celebrate other cultures. Unfortunately I think this only works one way; ie. as a follower of a majority religion, you like to be wished “happy [minority holiday] because you like to learn about/acknowledge minority religions. However, as a member of a minority religion, I do NOT like to be wished merry Christmas for that same reason because Christmas is CONSTANTLY shoved down my throat. I do not want or need to learn about/acknowledge Christmas anymore than I am already forced to. Though people don’t mean it when they say it, it feels marginalizing. I think its easy for a lot of Christians to say “well I’m not offended when people wish ME a happy Hannuukkah or Kwanzaa” (ergo it shouldnt bother THEM to be wished a merry christmas), but if those religions were shoved in your face as much as Christmas is shoved in the face of minority holiday-celebrators, then you might have a problem with it too. It’s just marginalizing, even if Christians don’t mean it to be.

     

     

     

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