(Closed) 'Christmas without christ' signs at work.

posted 6 years ago in Secular
  • poll: Is this inappropriate for the workplace?
    Yes, definitely. : (280 votes)
    77 %
    Perhaps a little. : (44 votes)
    12 %
    Not really. : (19 votes)
    5 %
    No. It's completely fine. : (23 votes)
    6 %
  • Post # 92
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    13753 posts
    Honey Beekeeper
    • Wedding: November 1999

    Regardless of your feelings on religion, signs like that in the workplace are offensive (coming from a practicing Catholic).

    Post # 93
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    1417 posts
    Bumble bee
    • Wedding: September 2014 - Turf Valley

    I’m the kind of person who would take them down, lol.  There is no place at work for religion or politics.

    Post # 94
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    Helper bee
    • Wedding: October 2013

    @Rachel631:  Hmm, I’m sure I heard that trees were an important part of the festival because of their evergreen state. I know that the whole decorating thing was from Christians, but that was an appropriation of ancient customs too.

    ‘Long before the advent of Christianity, plants and trees that remained green all year had a special meaning for people in the winter. Just as people today decorate their homes during the festive season with pine, spruce, and fir trees, ancient peoples hung evergreen boughs over their doors and windows. In many countries it was believed that evergreens would keep away witches, ghosts, evil spirits, and illness.’

    That’s from from http://www.history.com/topics/history-of-christmas-trees

    Easter though, is sooooo pagan.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2010/apr/03/easter-pagan-symbolism

    http://www.englatheod.org/eostre.htm

    I remember that we used to roll painted eggs down the hills and was told it was 100% about Jesus and the rolling of the stone. Even at five I was all ‘that seems unlikely’. Especially with all the rabbits and the general sexiness of nature at that time of year. I mean, I wasn’t stupid. I had seen that scene in Bambi when all the animals pair off ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Basically all festivals nowadays have very complex and diverse origins and saying that ‘you can’t celebrate Christmas without Christ’ (as missweetiepie did) is kind of silly. Humanity has pretty much always had a midwinter festival and so when people are like ‘NO, IT BELONGS TO JESUS’ I have to side-eye them a little.

    Post # 95
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    Bumble Beekeeper
    • Wedding: July 2013 - UK

    @Demi-chan:  People did decorate their homes using small tree branches and sprigs, it’s true. It was also for the smell… the essential oils were thought to drive out evil spirits.

    The tree though… that’s a comparatively modern invention! Our ancestors didn’t put a whole, whacking great big tree inside the house. You can thank Prince Albert for that one!

    Post # 96
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    Sugar bee

    @ZebraPrintMe:  You’re right, and I would feel uneasy too. The workplace is not a place for propaganda of any kind, be it of politics, religion or any other controversial topic that needs to be ”turned down” a little, for respect purposes. Everybody deserves to be respected for who they are and what they believe. The contrary (atheist signs in Christian workplace) would also be totally inappropriate. I’m all about having open discussions about beliefs, but such passive/agressive methods tells me right away a discussion is not even possible with this person. It’s extremely annoying.

    Post # 97
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    Helper bee
    • Wedding: October 2013

    @Rachel631:  I do! I love my tree ๐Ÿ™‚ My point was simply that the evergreen reverence came from something other than Christianity. Without it I doubt the Christians in Germany would suddenly have sprung upon and elaborated on it. The tree’s symbolism of life has it’s roots (pun not intended) in ancient customs. Maybe I was too general/vague in my original post, I was in a hurry to reply because the comment I was replying to had ticked me off! 

    Post # 98
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    Bumble Beekeeper
    • Wedding: July 2013 - UK

    @Demi-chan:  If you are interested in these things, there’s a great book called The Invention of Tradition, which has a lot to say about how cultural traditions adapt and spread. Personally, I don’t have a problem with the reinterpretation and adaptation of ancient customs… when the customs are so ancient that every person living is probably a distant ancestor of the person who used to use them, that is!

    The problem for me is some of this modern new age stuff which uses indigenous customs but takes them out of context. I’ve worked with indigenous people who think it is a form of oesoteric violence, and I see their point… they are being stereotyped as either savages or noble savages… but they are still being painted as basically savage.

    I would have a lot more of a problem regarding borrowing Easter traditions if there were a long line of European pagan indigenous people who had continuously practised these traditions… but there aren’t.

    It is complicated though… my PhD is partly on hunter-gatherer cultural adaptations in the modern world, so this stuff is my bread and butter!

    Post # 99
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    Sugar bee
    • Wedding: September 2013

    Yes, it is inappropriate.

    I don’t get this whole “put the Christ back in Christmas” thing that happens every year.  People have such a fit over saying “Happy Holidays”. Well, as far as I know of, nobody’s forcing Christians to run around and say Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas. Everyone can celebrate the holiday how they see fit, and according to whatever religious/non-religious aspects they choose.  

    I sometimes feel like asking these people whether or not Christ has been taken out of their Christmas.  If not, then these types of signs are null.  Just because the general public is attempting to embrace ALL religions by changing their wording, doesn’t mean it’s being forced upon them to change their whole belief system.

    Personally, I didn’t grow up in a very religious household.  My mom had a strict Polish Catholic upbringing, but she only speaks of religion when someone passes away.  My dad could care less about religion.  Christmas for me was never about celebrating Christ.  It is about spending time with family, decorating the tree, Santa, and all the stuff that comes along with the winter season.  I still call it “Christmas” even though I’m not Christian, it’s just always been that way.  

    @OnceUponATime:  As an athiest, I wanted to shed some light on your brother and sister “pretending to pray”.  I find myself in the position of being in the middle of “group prayer” a lot.  Both my and DH’s extended family pray over meals during the holidays, and whenever we have a group meal at work, someone always blesses the meal.  We don’t run around telling everyone we are Athiest/Agnostic, mostly because we don’t care enough to, and we don’t feel like having other’s beliefs shoved at us and being told we’re wrong in our beliefs.  It’s a lot easier to just stare at the floor during a group prayer than to explain to everyone our beliefs, and get up to leave during the prayer. I respect everyone’s right to believe whatever they want, and am respectful of others wanting to bless a meal, and I expect the same from others.  Now, on the other hand, if by “pretending to pray” you mean they are doing the actual speaking of the prayer, then yes, I would find that offensive as well. 

    Post # 101
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    Busy bee
    • Wedding: December 2012

    @ZebraPrintMe:  It also makes me uncomfortable to see signs like that. I’m not against people celebrating christmas, but Darling Husband and I personally don’t even recognize the holiday- or any holiday. We are also both atheist. I’m of the opinion that you shouldn’t have anything religious up in a shared space. Having the sign up in your own office cubicle is fine with me, but not when there are many other people in the area who may/may not be the same religion.

    Post # 102
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    Buzzing Beekeeper
    • Wedding: March 2014 - Chicago, IL

    @ZebraPrintMe:  Exactly. To each their own. AKA, keep your opinions to yourself and take the damn signs down! That’s what I would’ve said :/ Ugh. So annoying. 

    Post # 103
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    Bumble Beekeeper
    • Wedding: July 2013 - UK

    @ZebraPrintMe:  I would be a sneaky mare…

    Say something like “Oooh, isn’t it great that people of all backgrounds can celebrate together… we should put up some Hannukah posters as well! And some Eid posters during Eid!”

    Because it’s all or nothing, right? And if they tell your collegue that she can put up her posters, but nobody else can out up theirs, that’s discrimination. And that’s against the law. They can’t do that.

    Tit for tat… she takes the posters down, or else they are joined by a few cheerful friends, wishing people a happy winter solstace etc etc…

    We Brits do passive aggressive soooooo well!

    Post # 104
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    Worker bee
    • Wedding: August 2013

    @LynnSnow:  +1

     

    This is how I feel ๐Ÿ™‚ I say happy holidays because it includes everything! I have friends with multiple backgrounds and religions (or lack there of), so it’s just nice to be courteous of all of them by encompassing it with one saying. 

    And to OP, sorry you have to deal with something like that! Would just be reiterating the point a lot of other bees made, but it’s inappropriate and it’s unfortunate your manager isn’t doing anything about it. 

    Post # 105
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    Buzzing bee
    • Wedding: October 2014

    Honestly I would take them down and if someone said something to me about it I’d say “I don’t shove my beliefs down your throat and I don’t appreciate someone doing it to me.” 

    Post # 106
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    Busy bee

    I don’t see why it matters. Yes, it’s inappropriate, I agree with that completely. But can’t you just ignore it? I don’t think it’s worth the time and energy to get them taken down. 

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