Post # 1
I was surprised to learn this week that co-habitation or divorcing without proper annulment from the Catholic church are technically grounds for termination at the Catholic elementary school I’m an intern therapist at (as the staff would be modeling behavior not approved of within the Catholic faith). I’m only there finishing out the year, but this really surprised me. I’m not Catholic, but I just overheard conversation in the lunchroom and wondered if this was common practice in Catholic schools? We’re not in a particularly conservative area of the country, either.
Post # 3
I go to a catholic college and getting pregnant out ofwedlock is on the books for a reason to be expelled. We also have a single mothers program with day care so I am honking it’s never enorced.
Post # 4
Yes. Both are considered mortal sins (unless the co-habitation involves no sex) and if it’s a Catholic school then they can boot an employee who commits those sins. They’d also probably boot you for blaspheming, or dating a married man (adultery). There actually was just a Supreme Court case over whether freedom of religion trumped employment laws and, while I don’t remember the details, the outcome was that if you’re working for a religious organization, they can fire you for things that the religion says is wrong, even if that violates employment laws. Personally I don’t agree but I guess there isn’t an easy answer in that one.
Post # 5
I have friends teaching in a Catholic school and if they found they were “co-habitating” their jobs would most likely be taken from them.
When you sign with a religious school they are clear and open about their code of ethics and behavior they expect, so you really can’t blame them ( you even have to sign off on it). My wisdom would be if you don’t want to live by the rules, don’t apply to private religious institutions.
Post # 6
@Eva Peron: My wisdom would be if you don’t want to live by the rules, don’t apply to private religious institutions.
I definitely agree. I guess I’m so confused because the Archdiocese here will marry couples who are cohabitating. It seems a little murky?
Post # 7
I teach at a Catholic school and live with my fiance. I don’t make it public knowledge but I’m pretty sure my principal knows and just doesn’t mind. I’m not the only teacher in this situation either. I think it really depends on the people in charge at your school.
That being said, I make a point not to let any of the kids or school families know my living situation. I did sign a contract agreeing to uphold Catholic values with the students and I intend to do that. (also, it’s not their buisness, no matter what kind of school I teach at)
Post # 8
I know that with the Catholic school boards in our area this is not an issue. While they expect their teachers to uphold certain values they won’t fire them over something like this.
Post # 9
It really depends on the dioscese/area you’re in. I went to a very, very conservative Catholic college run by the Vatican, and there were tons of divorced/separated professors. But, like a PP said, having sex on campus was an expellable offense.
Post # 10
I think this is something that’s there just so they have the right to let somebody go if there’s a complaint. Kind of like my lease, it says no animals even though atleast 75% of the tenants have animals, having it there gives them the right to kick you out or force you to get rid of the animal if someone complains. They probably don’t care unless it becomes a public issue.
Post # 11
The school is Catholic if you don’t uphold the rules of the religion why shouldn’t they let you go?
My dad worked in a Catholic school and met and married my mother, a divorced catholic with three sons. He was fired.. no if’s and’s or buts. Did it change his life, yes, for the better. He used his math degree in business and did amazing.
He was never pissed off or resentful, he understood that was part of teaching in that kind of a school. He still attends mass every week, they both did until my mom passed away, and he’s very spiritual.
Post # 12
@MrsEdamame: Yea totally! I’m not super in-tune with everything thats going in within the Catholic Church, but it seems like some things might be laxing. I’m wondering if they hold higher standards for teachers because of the fact they are to be role models to the children?
Post # 13
It was just in the news that a non-Catholic teacher at a Catholic school was fired for undergoing IVF treatments to become pregnant because she and her husband were having trouble conceiving.
Post # 14
@kitamad: Talk about adding salt to the wound :(. I didn’t know the Catholic church was against IVF?
Post # 15
@MrsEdamame: the Catholic Church is definitely against IVF – if you’ve ever read Brave New World, where children are produced only in the lab by scientists and grown in test tubes and incubators, evaulated for genetic worthiness and then the “genetically inferior” embryos are raised to be slave workers, that’s what the Catholic Church wants to prevent happening further down the road. Right now IVF is a procedure done by couples who want to expand their circle of love with a baby, but there’s no reason why further down the line this technology couldn’t be used by a government for some pretty horrific things.
Already most couples only choose to implant the “best quality” embryos. The “inferior” ones (the ones who would have different abilities, for instance) are either destroyed or just sit in a fridge somewhere. I know one girl who is planning to do IVF in 15 years or so and is hoping at that time that they have the capability to pick blue eyes, dark hair etc. Blonde-haired or brown-eyed children need not apply. Also if they have discovered the “gay gene” by then she wants any embryos with it to be “eliminated” as well. It can get really sick in the wrong hands.
There are lots of things Catholics can do to treat infertility but ultimately you have to be impregnanted directly by your husband, not by a stranger you paid to poke in your insides. That’s the rationale anyway.
Post # 16
I work at a Catholic school…in years past, teachers have been non-renewed for living with their boyfriends. We do have a few divorced teachers on staff currently, though.