Common core math, yes or no?

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FutureMrsBex :  I  don’t want to be a teacher. I am a healthcare provider. I can only imagine what the results would be if, rather than teaching my patients straightforward information, I intentionally made it harder for them to learn about their illness and treatment. My decades of experience in working with the public in vital areas (literally life & death) has led me to the belief that 1. People don’t learn by one method, only 2. Making things simple and straightforward leads to greater understanding. 3. If you don’t start simple, you’ll hardly ever progress to deeper understanding. 

Confusing 8 year olds isnt going to lead to understanding for 13 year olds. I am disturbed at the callousness of the supposed educators on this board who state that it’s a-ok that my 5 perfectly normal children didn’t “get” common core. How about the 100 kids in my town who don’t get it? Or the thousands of kids in the schools in my state who don’t get it?! Guess that’s a job well done?

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jannigirl : 

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jannigirl :  Yes, because obviously your methodology has brought you great success in understanding the information that has been presented to you on this thread…

Teaching patients to understand how to care for their medical conditions in no way relates to teaching in a school. Like, in absolutely no way. What works in healthcare is not at all what works in primary education. Your goal is to reassure the patient and give them treatment. Our goal as educators is to foster growth, critical thinking, and to challenge students. Not just hammer in the content using one singular method. 

Your “logic” that having gone through school and having kids in school gives you any sort of expertise in education is exactly like me claiming that just because my husband is a doctor and I saw him go through med school, I am basically a doctor too. It’s absolutely ludicrous. 

I went to school for education. It’s what I know and am passionate about. I’ve read research, done research, and implemented research in the classroom and have seen amazing results.

I have no idea how you have come to the conclusion that anyone here is saying that it is “a-ok” that your “5 perfectly normal children” (because how is that even relevant?) didn’t get common core. No one has said that, no one has even insinuated anything CLOSE to that. What your kids dealt with is an implementation and instruction issue, and it is extremely unfortunate. If your kids liked using standard algorithm, they should have been allowed to use standard algorithm without being penalized. But you have absolutely no proof that the sole use of direct instruction would have served them any better. This is not a black and white issue.

How about I don’t tell you how to do your job, and you don’t tell me how to do mine?

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echomomm :  Wow I love this ancedote! Thats so great that you have been able to use manipulatives to that level. Thats something teachers need more training in.

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muppetbaby :  Oh… my.. gosh! I’ve never been able to put words to what she does… This is exactly it… 

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echomomm :  I absolutely LOVE manipulatives. I have a manipulative intervention planned for every. single. one. of my math lessons and they do wonders! 

Something else I like to include whenever I can is art! Gotta love cross disciplinary learning!

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muppetbaby :  so. Posters who disagree with you should get banned. Gotcha. Sure. 

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chelbell23 :  I’m very excited to see some states rolling back common core, realizing that it’s not teaching kids effectively. As a recipient of public (and private) education that I pay dearly for, it actually matters to me that our country is well educated. If you think it only concerns educators, I am concerned for the parents (and students) who dare to question your methods. Doesn’t seem a good environment to foster independence. 

As I would surely expect my patients and their families to ask questions and definitely disagree with some of my opinions (as educated as those opinions might be), I would not be angered by their disagreement, and angrily assert my supposed dominance over them. Their lives (or their children’s lives) are far more important to them. 

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Kslim13 :  More additions to why states may have begun to repeal Common Core is the excessive testing that came along with it. THAT PART SUCKS. It is SO long and cuts out a lot of learning time. The standards and the methods, again, as a way of instruction, when implemented properly does work BUT states/schools/parents/teachers have a bad taste in their mouth due to roll out, training, and testing.

More info here: https://www.vox.com/2014/10/7/18088680/common-core

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jannigirl :  I am very intrigued that none of your responses actually address anything I say in any meaningful capacity. You’re just waxing philosophical about random things and sounding absurd doing it. In fact, you’re straight up contradicting yourself at this point.

You’re also reading some really weird subtext into these replies. What you take as “angrily asserting dominance” is just…having a real passion for teaching and learning. And what you repeatedly refuse to accept is that simple procedures are, in fact, still taught. Nobody killed the “old way” of doing standard algorithms. Teachers should still be teaching that. But teachers also need to be teaching kids to like…actually think for themselves. And think about why they’re doing these things. The type of education you’re advocating for totally squashes that. I don’t understand how anyone would think that is a good thing?

How about I say as a wife of a doctor, because we’ve established that has bestowed upon me expertise in the field of medicine, we totally rebuke all medical studies and embrace the all powerful art of healing crystals. Healing crystals are now the end all be all. I’ve seen them work! My SIL uses them all the time and she’s totally healthy! She has so many friends that swear by them too. Clearly, they are more useful than modern medicine. 

^ Do you not realize that this is how you sound? There are YEARS of research backing the benefits of CC principals and methods, when they are implemented the way they should be. I sure as hell am not going to fight someone tooth and nail who did years of schooling in something with flimsy, anecdotal hogwash. Would I ask questions and posit well thought out counter arguments? Absolutely. But I recognize I did not go through 4 years of medical school, and do not have an advanced degree in medicine.

If any parent of my students came to me and suggested that how I was teaching math wasn’t clicking with one of my students, I would absolutely go back to the drawing board and pull out other strategies. 100%, the only questions asked would be “Have you found anything that works for them at home?” or “How do you think they would learn better?” I want to work with my students and my parents, using whatever methods neccessary for them to succeed. I’m not blindly pandering a system and if they don’t fit the system screw them. That is exactly opposite of what CC is supposed to be.

But when you start going after something you repeatedly demonstrate you don’t understand the full depth of, and start advocating for the “good of all children” (many of whom are THRIVING with CC) while refusing to acknowledge that your chosen methods (for which you have no experience in actually teaching) are also very flawed, it just becomes downright laughable. 

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jannigirl :  You legitimtely are not reading what other posters are saying. They’ve absolutely not said or implied that anyone “questioning their methods” is a problem. They haven’t said that CC is the “only” way. They haven’t said that “making things more complicated is always better.” They’ve literally not said any of the things you’ve suggested in your myriad responses. 

I’m honestly flabbergasted at how blind your responses are but thankful that you’re not a teacher. 

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chelbell23 :  I just wanted to say that I personally have learned a lot from your and somathamatical’s responses (even though the poster you are replying to clearly isn’t actually reading anything you’re writing and is just doubling down on principle). I didn’t even know what common core was (I don’t have a school-aged child), but I had a negative connotation about it for some reason – so this has been enlightening. 

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somathemagical :  Straight from the rules of the Bee! smile I don’t make the rules.

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chelbell23 :  Thank you and ^^Soma for being beacons of light in this conversation and keeping a calm head. 

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Kslim13 :  Exactly what you’re hoping for is what the common core standards try to alieviate. “ just dont think it should be the life and death of a childs grade if they cant understand It and arent given the chance to use a method they do understand because of the common core standard ” the “old math” does exactly what you stated. It gives kids ONE way to do it, doesn’t check if they understand it, only asks kids to repeat it, and it is the life and death of their grade. They are not given different ways and they aren’t given the opportunity to understand where rules come from.

It’s no wonder adults say, oh I never understood math, or I didn’t like math, or I wasn’t good at math. The old way wasn’t better, but it’s what you know. 

Rigidity is not part of the common core. I’ve explained before how students should be accommodated with other methods and how grading should be different. Rigidity comes from incorrect implementation. Rigidity comes from the OLD way of doing math. 

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Kslim13 :  I’m going to ask you to do an exercise. Try to do 38×12 in your head the old way. Then explain it in words in the old way (you can PM me or comment back). Ask yourself does this method help me understand what multiplication is? Can I draw a picture to represent this? (Remember math is real and tangible not just random symbols) Is there another way to do this? Try to find as many different ways as you can! There are LOTS! 

ETA: I changed it from 33 to 38 so it’ll make it more interesting 😉

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