(Closed) Concrete Slab for Dog

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Post # 16
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Bumble bee

EmeraldAisle :  How is an animal part of your family when they spend 90% of their time outside away from the family? So while you’re all inside the house together the dog is alone in your back garden, and that’s being loved and part of the family? Dogs are social animals and like to be with their “pack” not alone in a kennel or back garden. 

Post # 17
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Worker bee

ariesscientist :  he spends all his time outside when we are out and this is hard to explain to mostly American bee’s but where I live in Australia, houses are lifted and underneath the house (which is actually ground level) is concrete with covered sides and is where our laundry is etc.. my dog has a couch down there and has a kennel outside and he sleeps in either of those places. 

When we’re home he comes in as he pleases, I’m at home all day with a baby and usually after 20 minutes or so he goes back downstairs and outside of his own volition. 

Our yard is also very large and is all the way around the house so he does a lot of perimeter checks when he hears someone walk past. 

Post # 18
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Bumble bee

EmeraldAisle :  I live in the UK, we just don’t really tend to keep our dogs outside here because the weather is very unpredictable/rainy/cold etc and we are a nation of animal lovers, obviously some people do, but the dogs are usually distressed and bark all day and therefore get reported to the RSPCA or council. The exception being farm dogs, but they sleep in barns. 

I don’t have an issue per se with animals being outside when their owners are out of the house, provided they have adequate shelter (I don’t believe a wooden pallet in the mud and some tarp is adequate shelter), but I don’t agree with a dog being kept outside 24/7 (or the vast majority of the time) or being kept outside in the mud/cold/rain on a concert slab. We have a dog and she stays in the conservatory while we’re out (it’s shaded so never gets hot), but she is protected from the cold/rain/mud etc as it’s indoors and she has her comfy bed to sleep on plus food, water, toys etc. The thought of a dog’s home being a wooden pallet under some tarp in the mud makes me really sad. 

Post # 19
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Worker bee

ariesscientist :  yeah I agree about the mud and not having proper shelter, that is not meeting the basic needs of the dog. I wouldn’t let my dog sleep like that. 

Post # 20
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Bumble Beekeeper
  • Wedding: October 2010

I will answer your question directly. We bought a house with a 10×10 foot concrete slab that had been a pad for a hot tub that was no longer there. We didn’t like it so we had it removed for about $300 and layed sod down. Now, a year later you can’t tell it was ever there. It did not deter us from buying the house.

Post # 22
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Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: February 2016

ariesscientist :  a lot of working dogs, not just farm dogs, are housed outside. Even if the family has pet dogs which are kept inside, working dogs are still housed outside in kennels. Even if OP is not using him as a working dog, if he’s from a working dog line his energy levels may be better suited to being outside (especially if he is a working dog and not being used as one his energy levels will be through the roof). 

I would argue that the really doggy people I’ve met in the UK, the ones with more than 2 or 3 dogs, do have some that will be inside dogs and some that are outside dogs. They build suitable spaces, permanent fixtures for their dogs and make sure they are well taken care off. These outside dogs get moved inside as they get older, if they’re sick or having a litter or it’s really bad weather. Yes the UK gets a lot of bad weather but really it’s pretty temperate and storms are fairly infrequent, or at least storms that hit every part of the UK are pretty infrequent. I can think of a handful of people, who are not bad dog owners, who keep working and non-working dogs inside and outside. The majority of dog owners keep them inside but the majority of owners have one or two dogs and still make plenty of mistakes with their dogs.

OP says one of her dogs is an outdoor dog, implying at least one lives inside. It’s more of a burden to have one inside and outside. The easiest thing for OP to do is keep all her dogs inside together but her and her husband have made the decision that this dog isn’t happy inside all day. They go to the extra lengths of making sure inside and outside dogs have water and food, get attention and played with. She is looking at spending money and time to try and make her outside more comfortable for him, which is pretty burdensome. You don’t voluntarily create extra work for yourself if you view the dog as a burden.

Before everyone jumps on the ‘I’m an unfit dog owner too’ bandwagon. My dog is an inside dog. She has 3 beds in our house and access to fresh water constantly – which appears to be the standard for caring for a dog. If I work from home and the weather is nice I’ll leave the doors open for her. Rather than lying on one of her three beds, she’ll take herself outside and lie in the soil of my flower beds and drink rainwater from a bucket outside. I say I leave the door open when the weather is nice not because she won’t go out in the rain but because I’m not paying to heat outside and I’m always cold. It would not bother my dog to go and lie on my flower bed, when she has beds inside, when it’s raining. Actually she’s probably prefer that because she really likes mud. I think she would probably be pretty happy if she was a permanent outside dog but that would require a lot of expense from us to secure the garden and put in facilities for her. So she’s an inside dog and fortunately she doesn’t have ridiculously high energy levels and isn’t destructive, so she can stay inside and still be happy.

Post # 23
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Bumble bee

loz24 : The key point is a suitable space, a cage with a wooden pallet and some tarp is not a suitable space for a dog to live in by any stretch of the imagination, neither is a slab of concrete. The fact that the OP thinks this is a suitable home for her pet is concerning. Dogs are also highly sociable animals and need company and interaction, I don’t see how a single dog living outside 24/7 with two walks a day would have their social needs met.  

Post # 24
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: February 2011

 

ariesscientist :   

And yet there are many people who keep their dogs inside and never bother to walk or exercise them. They also treat them like humans and end up with dogs that have behavioural issues because they don’t treat them like dogs.

FWIW I live in New Zealand and 90% of the dog owners I know sleep their dogs outside.

Post # 25
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: February 2011

Yet most people that own dogs go out and work for 8-10 hours per day leaving their dogs alone and not with their “pack” so what difference does it make if the dog is inside or out providing that dog has adequate facilities? ”. ariesscientist :  

Post # 26
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Bumble bee

Kemma :  Just because there are bad dog owners who keep their dogs indoors does not mean it’s acceptable to have your dog live in a cage on a muddy pallet under a piece of tarpaulin. If you’re going to keep a dog outside then at least build them suitable housing and maybe get another dog for company, a concrete slab in a cage with a pallet on is not suitable housing no matter where you live in the world. If you treated your dog like this in the UK you’d have them taken off you by the RSPCA for neglect. 

Post # 27
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Bumble bee

Kemma :  

1. This dog doesn’t have adequate facilities

2. When people come home from work they are with their dogs, I am with my dog all evening, throughout the night and at weekends. If your dog lives outside and isn’t allowed into the house then when are you spending time with your dog? On your two walks a day? When you occasionally go into the garden? 

 

Post # 28
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Busy bee

EmeraldAisle :  Your situation sounds very different from OP’s. Your dog has ample shelter and comfort and the freedom to come inside ‘as he pleases’. The conditions for OP’s dog sound sparse, inadequate and isolating. Dogs are social creatures. In her poor dog’s eyes, OP has made this dog part of her ‘pack’ and then isolated him from his pack. I can’t understand why she even has an animal only to keep him separate from the only family he has. She shouldn’t own pets. 

Post # 29
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: February 2011

 

ariesscientist :  the OP said that he has a kennel and that he does go inside…

And my own dog has access to our house when we’re home and I have three small children who spend plenty of time outside with him.

Post # 30
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Bumble bee

Kemma :  We’re not talking about your dog, I know nothing about your situation or your dog. OP says he has large cage that is like a kennel with some tarp on for shelter and a pallet inside that’s muddy, does that sound like a suitable home for a dog for you?

All she said regarding him being inside that he would bark if he was in too long and that he lives outside. It would be a different situation if he was just outside while she was out of the house and had adequate shelter.

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