Post # 31
ariesscientist : not all dogs are sociable. OP says she does socialise with him. He gets played with everyday. And presumably at some point her inside dogs are outside with the outside dog. Most dogs like company 24/7 but not all dogs. Nobody on this thread knows the temperament of her dogs and how much socialisation they want. We make a broad sweeping statement that does need socialisation but so do humans but we all require different amounts of socialisation and interaction.
He has a large crate area outside with access to the garden. OP acknowledges his space isn’t currently suitable and is trying to take one aspect (home re-sale) into account when putting in a more suitable option for him. She is actively looking to make his space more suitable. OP has provided a very vague description of the area and bees have assumed how it looks but only in a negative way. We don’t know what this space actually looks like. She also isn’t the only person to have had an unsuitable space for their pet at one point or another. There are many good pet owners who had an unsuitable space for their animals, either when they first get them and don’t realise what space they need or as the pet ages and its needs change. Everyone has assumed she’s horrible for housing him outside (despite her saying he’s happier) and isn’t taking into account the fact that she’s trying to improve his living conditions. Everyone is just making her feel like shit.
Post # 32
loz24 : I honestly don’t think Americans realize how strange it sounds when they describe animals as “part of the family.”
Post # 33
glitterati : I honestly don’t think some people realize how odd it is for others to assume someone is American simply because they share a trait common to a number of countries.
Post # 34
loz24 : Yes some dogs require more company than others, but no healthy happy dog prefers to be alone away from their pack/family the majority of the time. By having one dog live outside and the others inside she is isolating him from his pack.
I know plenty of awful dog owners who are convinced their dogs are happy and treated well and prefer this and that, so it goes both ways. Maybe the dog does prefer to live outside, maybe he doesn’t, who knows. However, the situation the dog is living in sounds awful, like I said before it’s concerning that she was happy to let her dog live like this until now and makes me question her judgement in regards to the dogs in other areas.
I think it’s a good thing she is trying to make it better, but I don’t believe the addition of a concrete slab is anywhere near enough. The dog needs at minimum a proper kennel that will shelter him from the rain and mud and real bed not a pallet.
Post # 35
crustyoldbee : Exactly, just because I speak English does not mean I’m American.
Post # 36
crustyoldbee : I didn’t say anyone on this thread was or was not American.
I live in the States and I find the way that people talk about their pets utterly bizarre. Not a judgment, just observing a cultural difference (that no doubt applies to a number of Anglo countries).
Post # 37
glitterati : Calling something “bizarre” and “strange” is, quite literally, a judgment.
Post # 38
Concrete is terrible for a dog’s joints.
If he’s digging that much, he’s probably bored. Does he get walked?
If you’re going to keep your dog outside, can you not get him a real bed at least? I mean a wood pallet to lay on? How generous of you…
Post # 39
hotdoglover : Last reply on this: the language I used points to a difference. Keeping a pet outside is the norm in a lot of non-Anglo countries and in those contexts, it is strange/bizarre to keep a dog indoors, stranger still to call an animal a family member. The outrage (and judgment, but who can keep track) in this thread about keeping an animal outdoors is surprising.
Post # 40
glitterati : I am very much Latin American and do not live in the US. Our dogs have access whenever they want to the backyard, but are primarily indoor dogs. And yes, we consider them family.
Post # 41
Man there’s a lot of harsh judgement going on for such a vague description of this dog’s living quarters. We had a husky cross when I was younger and she would throw such a fit when she was kept inside, she’d sleep out in the fenced yard with a dog house, happy as could be. but to answer your question a concrete slab would not deter me from purchasing a house. also my current dog digs in the yard during play time- little bugger- so it’s not always from bordom it’s just what some dogs enjoy doing. I’m not sure where you live but could you do a concrete slab with a horse stall matt on top- you could still hose it down and would provide padding. also does it make me a bad pet parent by keeping my horses out 24/7? I don’t think they’d fit in the bed with us…
Post # 42
If I were going to keep a dog outdoors (I wouldn’t honestly, I would install a dog door so they could have the best both worlds and choose whether they preferred to be inside or outside) I would make sure that it’s outside space was a palace.
A slab with a tarp or a lean too just wouldn’t cut it for me. I don’t think the slab will kill your property value but I would suggest maybe you look into something nicer than the current situation if you are going to keep him outside. What about getting him his own shed or something? It would have to be a nice one and I would make sure it’s well ventilated so it doesn’t become an oven. This would largely depend on the climate where you live – in Texas it would be cruel to keep an animal outside in our heat even in the nicest accommodations.
Post # 43
loz24 : Thank you! Honestly, it does surprise me to see people taking such a solid and extreme stance.
To all derailing the thread and actually suggesting I rehome my dog because he’s outside where he wants to be:
He’s not locked in a cage. There’s a cage (left open) with a roof and pallet that he has for shade, and there’s no garden, but a large fenced in yard that he can run free in. He comes in at night and sleeps on his bed in a room. The inside dog is not part of his pack. They did not grow up together and met when my husband and I got married, they are mostly indifferent towards each other. The inside dog is small and fragile, not well suited for outside, and does not like to be outside. The outside dog loves, absolutely loves, being outside. He hates being inside, and will sit at the door and bark when he’s inside for his own protection due to weather. He’s alone all day, yes, but he would be if he were inside too. We both work and can’t afford to stay home to play with the dogs all day. He digs, but he’s just rambunctious, and even though he’s played with every day, usually in addition to a walk, he still digs.
To those of you who answered my actual question, thank you.
Post # 44
I mean, large dogs can be inside. We have 7, and the smallest is 78lbs.
That said, our two intact males would prefer to be outside rather than inside and spend the majority of their day in the yard. Our two old girls barely care enough to go outside to do their business and turn on a dime to go back inside.
Some dogs don’t actually like being inside.
What breed is your dog?
As far as the concrete, I would be more inclined to get some pea gravel, and build a platform of wood that can just be taken down. Definitely do the lean-to structure.
Post # 45
Ok, she is trying to create a better living environment so I’d like to support and commend that.
The kennel should be secure, dig proof, with a dry sanitary floor with drainage. It can be raked and hosed…There should be a raised area for laying out of sun, a covered area for shelter and retreat. And a place where feet won’t get hot or cold.
Clean water and food, safe toys…. there are some great outdoor, all weather beds…