(Closed) confused

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    i love animals and babies

    i am pro animal kindness and pro-choice

  • Post # 48
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    Buzzing bee
    • Wedding: November 2013

    No skinning babies, ok?!?

    Best. Comment. Ever.

    Post # 50
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    Bumble bee
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    @persianprincess: I understand what you are saying! An unborn panda is a “baby panda” or “unborn panda” but a fetus is a “clump of cells.” Is that what you are saying? Doesn’t make sense to me either!

    Post # 51
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    Bumble bee

    This thread is giving me the urge to run out and begin my quest to be a Pokemon Master.

    Post # 52
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    Buzzing bee
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    @DeadlyNightshade:  you know you want to 🙂

    Post # 53
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    Busy bee
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    @Blush.Champagne:  No, I would say that a panda fetus is also a “clump of cells” – up until the point, then it becomes a baby panda.  Same as I would say a human fetus is a clump of cells up until a point, then it becomes a baby human.

     

     

     

     

     

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    @Pokemon:

      

    Post # 54
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    Helper bee

    oww man we have had this topic of conversation before and it never ends well 🙁

    Post # 55
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    Honey bee
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    Because an animal is already alive. You can’t really argue that fact. At what point the fetus/embryo becomes a life and alive IS debatable. I know some people disagree with that, but…people debate it all the time. So obviously it is debateable. I used to be a vegetarian, care very much about animals not being abused…and I’m pro-choice. Oh, and I’m also pregnant – so I’m not buying into the whole idea that being a mother makes you see it differently. In fact, when I had my first ultrasound I distinctly remember thinking, “Wow, that little blob is going to become my baby!” Note the word ‘become’…because even as a pregnant woman wanting a child, it’s tough for me to see a ball of cells with no discernible body parts as a baby.

    You appear to see pro-choice as equaling pro-abortion. I think that is a common notion of many (not all, but many) pro-lifers. I am not for abortion and wouldn’t have one myself (unless it was the result of a rape – which I have been through and I would have been furious with anyone who dared judge me if I had fallen pregnant from it and aborted), but I am also not for taking away a woman’s right to do what she pleases with her body. And I fail to see what my caring about animals has to do with that.

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    Honey bee
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    There’s a lot wrong in the comparison you’re trying to draw; the two concepts are not related.  It’s not like asking “why do some people feel it’s cruel to eat any animals but feel it’s okay to eat fish?” where the two concepts are fundamentally the same.  

    I am pro-choice and pro-animal-compassion. I do not believe that baby kittens should be drowned, nor do I believe that baby humans should be drowned. I do believe that the birth rate in both species should be controlled; however, I trust the human to make their own decisions as to how to control the birth rate. Since an animal cannot make that decision, I have no problem making it for them, and do not feel guilty for having my pet spayed or neutered.  

    I am against abuse towards any creature, regardless of species. I think starving, neglecting, kicking, beating or otherwise harming a human or an animal is wrong.  This is where the animal compassionate stance comes in, and I do not feel that anyone need to state their views on human compassion, at least in regards to abuse/neglect, because this should be a basic human value: don’t abuse one another.

    I am, however, very comfortable with the concept of abortion, because a human can decide if having a baby is right for them, unlike an animal who basically gets pregnant and has no choice in the matter, nor the reasoning skills needed to even make a choice if presented with one.   And I do not dare assume I can make that choice for another human better than they can for themselves.

    But back to the basic question: you are trying to compare apples to pineapples, two things or concepts that might seem to be related but in reality are very different.  

    ETA: I do not view abortion as the only means by which a woman can control whether or not she reproduces; I feel there are far better ways, such as preventing pregnancy through birth control, which is less physically, emotionally and financially invasive; however, since we do not live in a perfect world where women do not get pregnant unless they want to, I view abortion as a “necessary evil”, with emphasis on the “necessary” rather than the “evil.”

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    Busy bee
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    @DrTeeth:  Are you filipino?  I am, but will never ever ever ever ever try balut.  Blergh.

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    Busy bee
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    @AmyDee:  I’m not, no, but I’ve always wanted to try it.  I’m a big believer in trying everything once.  The Wikipedia page I linked to gave such cringe-worthy descriptives:

    “The partially formed skeleton of the embryos is what gives the Balut its distinctively crunchy taste.”

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    Busy bee
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    @Bulbasaur: Ahh I see. I’m usually up for trying anything… it’s just… Balut. 

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