(Closed) Conservative Bees: Special Challenges?

posted 6 years ago in The Lounge
  • poll: Are there special challenges to being young and conservative?
    No, I can express my views freely among my peers : (7 votes)
    19 %
    No, my instructors at school are accepting of my beliefs : (3 votes)
    8 %
    Yes, my peer group does not like my conservatism : (8 votes)
    22 %
    Yes, I'm under pressure to hide my true beliefs from my instructors : (10 votes)
    28 %
    I just keep my mouth shut : (8 votes)
    22 %
  • Post # 3
    Member
    10589 posts
    Sugar Beekeeper
    • Wedding: January 2011

    I don’t define myself as a Conservative, and have voted for various parties, but I do tend to lean towards the Conservative party on often.  I don’t agree with them on all issues though.

    Politically in this province, the Conservatives have the majority both federally and provincially, so I don’t feel to be in the minority, even though my ridings are not Conservative.  There are absolutely clubs of conservatives.  At university, I might debate some peers on some issues where I am in the minority, but it doesn’t influence who I am friends with.  It’s not likely that you will agree with someone on all political issues.  It just leads to good discussions at times!

    Post # 5
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    4930 posts
    Honey bee
    • Wedding: October 2018

    I’m from the South, so being conservative is pretty normal. I typically avoid discussing politics with peers, but the ones that make comments and post things on Facebook are all conservatives too. Usually more so than me. 

    Post # 6
    Member
    1227 posts
    Bumble bee

    @sassy411:  “Conservative” in Canada might not be defined the same way Conservative is where you are. If by “conservative” you mean government living within its means, and staying out of the business of individuals, and tough on crime, then yes, Canadians on the whole tend to run conservative. If by conservative you mean pro-life, no gay marriage, anti-immigrant, evangelical, and intolerance of other non-christian beliefs, then no, that is not Canada at all.

    While the government is a Conservative Party majority, our 3+ party system means that less than 1/3 of Canadians actually voted for or support that party (which is pretty low for a majority government). The centre and left of centre parties actually have significantly more popular support than the governing party.

    Post # 7
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    9916 posts
    Buzzing Beekeeper
    • Wedding: June 2013

    @sassy411:  While I am not what anyone would consider conservative, except for maybe my very liberal parents’ friends, I was more conservative in college.  My college was EXTREMELY liberal.  I felt no qualms about expressing my views on different subjects in class, with peers, and in general.  Stand up for yourself — your views are just as valid as other people’s are, as long as you can back them up.  What is it that Jon Stewart said?  “If you don’t stick to your values when they’re being tested, they’re not values: they’re hobbies.”

    Once, in class, we were having a discussion where everyone was agreeing and agreeing…everyone who was vocal, that is.  I made a contradicting point toward the end of class.  People came up to me to THANK ME for speaking out.  I urge you to do the same if you feel the need — you don’t know who else will then speak out as well.  

    I wrote this thinking about your question, are there any conservative groups at your school?

    Post # 8
    Member
    1642 posts
    Bumble bee
    • Wedding: October 2012

    I am a democrat living in the South, and it sucks to have relatively few people to relate to. I love talking to my dad about politics, though. He’s a republican, and I really feel like we educate each other to a moderate place.

    Post # 9
    Member
    10589 posts
    Sugar Beekeeper
    • Wedding: January 2011

    I don’t think the country as a whole has become more conservative.  For a while our PM was Liberal, and our current one, Harper is Conservative.  I do think Harper is more right wing regarding certain aspects than previous Conservative party leaders, although it’s difficult to directly compare when times were different due to changes that have occurred over time.  The official opposition party also became more left wing, it went from the Liberals to the NDP.

    There was a period of time when I think the Wild Rose party, the most right wing mainstream party would have won.  They are a newer party, the stats suggested they would do well and they lost last election.  I think that Redford isn’t as right wing as Klein was, and Alberta is one of the most conservative provinces.

    Post # 10
    Member
    6015 posts
    Bee Keeper
    • Wedding: March 2012

    Yeah college is a joke … unless you’re not up to date and current on the government.  I got sick of arguing with my professors.  Seriously my “PEOPLE” were killed, threatened, starved, and not given basic human rights.  We’ve been here since 1929 …. and most of us have been to college. 

    That’s why my family came here .. the USA… and now we are being taxed  beyond our means. But if i thnk or say other’s should pull their fair share …. your being ridiculous

    Post # 11
    Member
    6256 posts
    Bee Keeper
    • Wedding: March 2014

    @LizLemon:  I’m in the same boat, and it makes it even worse that I am Christian. No one talks about the Religious Left, but we do exist!

    Post # 12
    Member
    1152 posts
    Bumble bee

    I consider myself a moderate conservative, no real loyalty to either party. I am also religious. So yes, it’s very hard to express myself without being attacked for it. While my geographical area is pretty split even between liberals and conservatives, it seems that most of the liberals I run into are very, very passionate about informing me of my wrongness.

    I’m very good at discussing religion so that doesn’t bother me, but when politics come up, I tend to just keep my mouth shut. My anxiety condition doesn’t do well with fighting and it’s just not worth it most of the time.

    Post # 13
    Member
    395 posts
    Helper bee

    I’m very conservative but most of my friends are as well so it’s never been an problem. However, I do make it a point to never join discussions on facebook or with coworkers about political issues.

    (Any other Ron Paul fans out there? :p )

    Post # 14
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    9053 posts
    Buzzing Beekeeper
    • Wedding: June 2010

    @AB Bride:  I totally agree with you.  I tend to be a right leaning person, but BC’s historically fairly conservative in a lot of regions (The conservatives could run a case of beer in the Okanagan riding and it would win) as well so I’ve never really felt like I was a minority.

    However, if we had to directly compare, our version of conservative is still more left wing probably even than the American democatic party. 

     

    Post # 15
    Member
    539 posts
    Busy bee
    • Wedding: June 2013

    @EffieTrinket:  and nobody ever talks about the Jewish Republicans! We exist too!

    This is an interesting post topic, because I never feel comfortable! I like to stay pretty involved in politics, and am passionate about my beliefs, but at the same time, when a big group is agreeing on something it usually doesn’t seem worth it to speak up in front of all of them. Arg :/

    Post # 16
    Member
    993 posts
    Busy bee
    • Wedding: May 2013

    i think in Canada our conservatism is mainly economical and actually pretty centre-ist.  It’s all relative to me – in my liberal arts classes, I am the evil Christian Conservative, and among my working friends I’m an idealist hipster.  I guess I just like to bring forward the opposite side.  I’m pretty much libertarian and don’t think we need to tell each other what to do.  All things should be balanced and we need to look at all perspectives.  Sometimes status quo is good, sometimes it isn’t. 

    Where I run into trouble is the hyper sensitivity of feminists and what they think feminism is supposed to be – and how that gets tied into the capitalist system.  A girl in class today said “sadly, I have maternal instincts”… really?  The thing I find hard is the immediate dismissal when I say I’m getting married or want kids.  In a school setting I think its just other people being immature or not ready for it.  In a work (construction) setting, people seem to only care about making money at the expense of all other things.  

    What I always hear is “you’re liberal until you’re paying taxes”, right?  There’s also a huge disconnect between academia and “the real world.”

    It gets tiresome, and lately I’ve been keeping my mouth shut.  I’m tired of a whole classroom ganging up against me because the prof is teaching us to think critically – but its always critical against the church or the patriarchy or capitalism or the dominant culture…  We never get into the dirty parts of the other side.  I don’t need to get into it.  Multiculturalism is another sticky point in Canada.

     

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