Coronavirus: numbers

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Post # 2
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Bumble bee

While I have no respect for Trump’s presidency, the US is a completely different country to the UK. Its infrastructure is not set up to protect jobs or health of the vulnerable or under privileged, so it is an extremely complex situation. It isn’t fair or useful to pit nations against each during this awful time. Nor can you compare Scotland to England – its population is smaller than London alone. Of course infection rate is significantly simpler to control. 

Post # 3
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Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: September 2020

You’d probably find your target audience on the Fox News comments section. 

Post # 4
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: August 2019

Are we really going to do the “look what my country has done compared to yours” brag?

The US is a difficult one to assess. It’s a riddle wrapped in an enigma wrapped in a taco. Even if you had the most competent President in the universe, you can’t really get past almost complete state autonomy, constitutionally guaranteed personal freedoms and the fact there are just a shit ton of people living there. Many in poverty. Many without access to healthcare. Many who do not have the luxury to just chill at home for months to ride out the storm. 

Not to mention the millions of people who risked getting sick and dying of covid, going out every day to fight for their lives in protest. Say what you will, but that’s the highest form of courage. 

I’m not even in the US. I’m in Western Australia. 

But I get it.

I just hope for all the US bees, whatever you do, you’re able to do it safely. 

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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: December 2017 - Courthouse

I think one of the biggest hurdles for the US with COVID-19 (besides having a narcissistic asshole as the country’s leader) is healthcare. Many people in the US have no access to affordable care. So if they’re seeing signs of COVID, they can’t just stay home from work or go to the doctor. And off the top of my head I believe California and NY are the only states with mandated paid sick days. And even those states have loopholes.

So many, many Americans who feel the tiniest bit sick are not going to take off work and not get paid AND pay out the ass for a doctors visit. 

All that compiled with the fact that we have a large part of the population that doesn’t think the virus is real 🤦🏻‍♀️

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Buzzing bee
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@littlebuzz:  This 100%. 

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@Supersleuth:  Our nation’s slogan was “we’re all in this together” and really all that meant was bailing out big businesses with our tax monies via the PPP grants. The one time $1200 ‘stimulus’ check is really a future tax credit and NOT free money. And people are being told to stay at home longer even though the extra coronavirus unemployment is ending in July. We have systemic racism and police brutality that is targeting and murdering black people. And an exhausting political election with candidates who are so distanced from the real world problems the American people are dealing with, it makes me sick. No matter one’s party affiliation, Americans do NOT have a government to help them. We are on our own. So it’s hard to tell people to heed advice to stay home when they have no assistance in paying their bills. When their black children are being murdered. Respectfully, Europe is NOT in our situation. And the Americans who are able to stay home (like myself) are in positions of privilege. We can stay home and collect an income while other people must risk their lives to do so. Our food manufacturing companies were mandated by executive order to stay open and those low income workers are being infected in droves. I know the intention wasn’t to come off as ‘tone deaf’ but it’s hard to understand how complex and crazy this situation is as an outsider looking in.

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Busy Beekeeper
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@sarathemermaid:  And now our fearless  “leader” is trying to take any public healthcare away, too.

And fwiw, I didn’t see a comparison in the op’s post, just a caution. If everyone would take things seriously, not gather in large groups just for the fun of it, and wear the damn masks, we’d be a lot further toward controlling the virus in the states. 

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Honey Beekeeper

Sure the US has a larger, more diverse population and states that have considerable autonomy. But the major reason for our failure to date is totally lacking and irresponsible leadership. 

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Busy Beekeeper
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I absolutely agree that people should take precautions as best as they are able.  However, there’s a lot of listing numbers and pointing fingers that makes no sense.  I often see memes and statements that X people in this country have Covid and that’s why US = bad and leadership = bad.  So let’s crunch some actual numbers and get percentages, shall we?

Scotland population: 5,454,000; 18,213 infected and of those 2,482 dead.  In percentages, that means Scotland has an infection rate of 0.3% (awesome, great job keeping numbers down, seriously).  But of those infected, the death rate is 13.6%.  That’s not looking good. Also in the UK, numbers are climbing again, much like everywhere else (couldn’t find a graph specific to Scotland at 2 AM)

USA population 328,200,000; 2,414,870 infected (and it’s suspected far more that have gone untested and are asymptomatic, but that’s likely true everywhere) and of those, 124,325 dead.  In percentages, that’s an infection rate of 0.73%, more than double Scotland – yeesh.  But the death rate of those infected is at 5.15%

Guess which country I’d rather be in right now?

And, btw, I crunched a lot more numbers the other day for someone else’s misguided meme (Spain, Italy, Germany, UK, Canada and Sweden were the ones I specifically looked at). We are really right on par with the countries that are held up against us.  Some have higher infection rates, some have higher death rates.  Seems like no matter where you are, it’s all approximately the same.  People just frequently forget how freaking huge the US is. The literal number looks insane. Trump has said a lot of asinine stuff and phrased other things poorly so they are easily misconstrued, no lie.  But he’s not “killing” anyone, not even that moron in Arizona who drank koi cleaner. 

That said, yeah… put on a stupid mask.

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Bumble bee

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@skunktastic:  The ‘high’ death rate in Scotland/UK is due to previously only testing those admitted to hospital. It isn’t reflective of the true death rate. 

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Busy bee

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@bluecutie00:  “The one time $1200 ‘stimulus’ check is really a future tax credit and NOT free money.”

I agree with a lot of the rest of your post, but I need to point out as a Public Service Announcement that this quote is not at all correct. The ‘stimulus’ check, paltry as it was, is absolutely free money.  

It is true that it is technically structured as an advance on a tax credit, but it is ALSO a brand new tax credit that did not exist before. The technical is they created the stimulus in two moves: step 1 – create a new $1200 credit; step 2 – give people that credit in advance. 

NO ONE will receive a smaller refund (or owe more in taxes) in April 2021 as a result of the stimulus check. 

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Buzzing bee
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@Sephiroth: You’re correct in saying that the economic stimulus payment was an advanced IRS tax credit. Saying nobody is being penalized for the stimulus check is a half truth, since there are individuals who are eligible for the credit today that may not be in 2021. Regardless, tax credits are not free money. Tax credits reduce your tax liability, meaning how much you could owe in taxes. So, in 2021 when you do your taxes, this stimulus check will reduce your tax bill dependent on your income. So, say you were going to owe $5k in taxes, the stimulus check reduces $1.2k dollar for dollar0 for those who make less than the income threshold in 2020 and 2021. For individuals that made too much money in 2020, they will receive reduced or no credit. And other individuals who may have been eligible for the stimulus payment in 2020 (because of lower income on past tax filings) may find themselves ineligible in 2021 if their income increases past those thresholds. That means there will be reduced or no tax credit for them too. Will the credit reduce how much taxes you owe? Yes. Could you end up getting a tax refund next year because of it? Also yes. But it’s not free money; it’s a credit against what you owe.

Post # 14
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Bumble bee

The mask thing makes me so furious. It’s hard to imagine having someone more reckless and irresponsible in the White House than trump and his lackey Pence. They should be setting an example by wearing masks. Instead they’ve refused to wear them, which has had the effect of politicizing mask wearing. According to their base, If you wear a mask, you’re a virtue signaling liberal snowflake; if you don’t, you’re a freedom living John Wayne type who ain’t afraid of a wimpy virus!!!

If Trump cares so much about the economy then he should put his money where his mouth is and wear a damn mask. It’s about optics as much as it is public health. People will feel more comfortable going out in society and stimulating the economy if everyone wears a mask. Plus the research is pretty clear that mask wearing can significantly reduce transmission of the virus. Why the hell is this political???? Because we have the most divisive leader in generations in the Oval Office. 

Post # 15
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Sugar bee
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Nicola Sturgeon is mostly just waiting for Westminster to announce something, then changes the name and delays the start by a day or so. England has support bubbles, Scotland has extended households etc. A lot of it is just point scoring I think. 

the whole situation is shit but in the UK we are in a better position in that we have ‘free’ healthcare and government systems that can cushion the financial blow. This allows us to be a bit slower in opening up, but we can’t stay locked down forever. This virus is here for a while and so we can expect cycles of open and shut for a while.

make hay while the sun shines but don’t go nuts. I don’t plan to queue for hours to go to primark, but I’m excited to go and stay with my parents for a few days.

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