(Closed) Definition of Marriage – how do you respond?

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Post # 62
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Bumble Beekeeper
  • Wedding: July 2013 - UK

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@foreverli14:  Don’t worry, I’m not going to be mean! I was also originally not going to respond to your post, but I keep thinking about it because I don’t understand it. Maybe you can help me… there’s probably a cultural difference here!

Biblical marriage is a very complex institution, as PPs point out. It is also very confusing from the perspective of covenant vs marriage. This is something I’m still trying to understand. When does a covenant become what we would consider a marriage, especially seeing as covenants are also sacred, may or may not be sexual, and can be between same sex couples, or even a mother and daughter in law (see the book of Ruth… obviously, I’m not saying Ruth and Naomi were having sex, but they had a covenant)? I don’t know the answer! But I know it’s far more complicated than some people say.

“the problem I have is when homosexuality is forced on believers” I don’t actually know what you mean… maybe I’m being very dense. Do you mean that, by redefining what marriage means legally, this causes religious issues? Because nobody is redefining religious marriage in the US, as far as I can see… Europe is a different story, for all sorts of reasons.

“I feel that Homesexuality and same sex unions should not be put under the same category as a man and woman marrying.” Only… believers actually don’t have the power to define marriage legally (Matthew 22: 15-22). We are bound by earthly laws, unless they contravene G-d’s law. And seeing as religious and legal marriage are two very different entities, I see problems with your argument.

“legal rights can bestowed to a civil union. What is wrong with that?” Absolutely nothing, as I make clear in previous posts… at least, if you live in the UK. PPs, in answer to me, have made clear the issues with this state of affairs in the US! Sure, you could try to replicate the UK situation in the US… but it would be really hard to implement, I see that now.

“I do not feel that church’s or other religious organizations or believers should be penalized for their beliefs.” Again… I can think of ways in which organisations and believers really could be penalised in the UK (the fear is quite genuine) for refusing to marry same sex couples. I can also think of ways in which the new UK marriage law indirectly penalises religious LGBT couples. But I can’t see how same sex couples in the US could be penalised. How would that work?

Post # 63
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: September 2014 - Jacksonville Inn

 

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@Butterfly6:  I couldn’t care less what people believe. Everyone is entitled to their own religious beliefs. I start caring when people feel that their religious beliefs trump my civil rights. I’m not standing in front of a church asking them to marry me or recognize my relationship, I could care less. What matters to me is having a marriage that is recognized by the federal government so that my partner and I can have the same marriage rights that my straight friends have. Having those rights in no way would infringe on anyone else’s religious freedoms.

Post # 64
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: February 2012

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@Butterfly6:  I am certainly not angry with you! Practice your love and marital beliefs any way you like. Just don’t be surprised if I get married (I did) to a woman, in a religious ceremony (I did), in a church (I did that too). Canadian here.

My marriage is as equal as yours, as legal as yours and as loving as yours, assuming yours is loving. 

 

Post # 65
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: September 2014 - Jacksonville Inn

 

 

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@womanofsubstance:  Congratulations! You are very blessed! I hope the US will follow Canada’s lead someday! Until then we will keep fighting the good fight I guess.

Post # 66
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: August 2014

Up until 1967 the deep south defined marriage as the union between a man and a woman of the same race.  So I’d tell people we’ve made some pretty big flub-ups defining marriage and we’re still working out the kinks but we’ll get there 🙂

Post # 68
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: October 2014

Marriage existed before modern religions, therefore it is not up to Christians (or any other religion) to define.

Post # 69
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: September 2013

In a society not everyone follows a single religion, thus legal arrangements cannot be defined by religious ideals but should be done so based on equality, fairness and morals (not defined by the religious sense but moreso on philosophical terms).  Those who say that accepting gay marriages are attacking religious people are being quite hypocritical because their own beliefs are impacting others who may not even cater to their religion (atheists).  I believe that marriage is the union of two consenting adults, period.  Of course, religious institutions should not be required to marry or acknowledge gay marriages (that is within their right), but they have no say in governmental or legal affairs of citizens.  That’s why we don’t live in a theocracy, and those who wish that need to look no further than places in the Middle East to see what that causes.

Post # 70
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: October 2013

@oracle:  I feel like the definition of marriage is completely spiritual. When two hearts become one and two souls are joined together. I don’t think marriage is really defined by gender but by legal means and spiritual means. Every marriage has a legal documentaion but I personally don’t believe it is marriage until you are both coming together spiritually. Each couple KNOWS when they are being combined into a lasting union. People can sign papers or be whatever gender they want but until you can both honestly feel that connection and promise those vows then you are not married and only the couple can say whether they are joined or not. 

A strange opinion but it is honestly how I feel. If you are two adults that love each other and promise to spend a life together than you are married. 

Post # 71
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: June 2014

I seriously hate people …. They’re so ignorant !!! I honestly don’t know a good comeback to that . I’m not religious but what’s that quote ( from the bible I think? lol ) ^^^^

Well the bible was written thousands of years ago and people still follow it word for word? What happened to God loves all his children? Now I feel like im singing that song Same Love – by Mackelmore. Check it out.

Marriage is when two people who love eachother turn into one. Whether we are straight or gay we have emotions the same and that’s love for someone who you want to spend the rest of your life with whoever that someone may be. They talk about how ” well why don’t people just marry animals” STUPID because we’re humans you dumb fuck and were not sick in the head !!!

Post # 72
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: June 2014

the whole adam and eve thing??? that happened ” incredibly long ago !! We don’t live in any time still ,except today. And weren’t they put there just to reproduce ?? So it’s okay for incest in the bible but something like gay marriage isn’t right ?? WTF ???? Well what if gay people were put here to control population and help people and bring something new and different to the world? We all have a purpose. If our brains tell us that we are gay and can’t help who we fall for well I say god made us this way!!

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