(Closed) desperate for a copyright release

posted 7 years ago in Photos/Videos
Post # 3
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: April 2012

I wouldn’t tell him you are planning to crop/edit them yourselves, since you described him as arrogant. 

Instead, I would say that although you already have the CD, the place you are having them printed is “really strict” so they want a copy of his copyright release so you can legally print there. I say this because it is pretty much illegal to print out copyrighted photos anywhere (even at the photo kiosks at Target)

I know our photographer gave us a copy of the release form along with our CD of images from the e-session (which I paid for). 

Hopefully that will work well enough to get you guys the release without stepping on his toes!  Good luck!

 

Post # 4
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220 posts
Helper bee
  • Wedding: April 2012

double post, sorry

Post # 6
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635 posts
Busy bee
  • Wedding: October 2012

Many photographers wait to fully edit photos until after you order a print. Could this be the case with your photographer? Can you work with him to get the look you want?

Post # 7
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: April 2012

I would pull out my photog release if I were at home now, but I can do that later if I have a chance to see exactly what my photog said on hers.

Okay, so maybe if he says that, tell him that you are also having canvases made (like on canvasondemand.com) so the company needs permission to retouch them and make something up about how they recommended several retouches to the particular photos you are thinking about having made into canvases? 

I guess as a last resort you could say something like your friend/family member wants to do an album as part of your wedding gift but would like to crop/edit them with his permission?

haha i really am trying to think of as many legit excuses as possible.  I love our photographer so I feel bad for you that he is acting like that & you feel like you can’t be straight up with him bc he’ll deny you what you want and need.

Post # 9
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: November 2012

I would tell him that the printer is demanding a full release. I ran into this problem with WalMart and Shutterfly. My senior portraits were really bad and I had to do the edits. Since I took really poorly edited portraits and made them look professional, they both refused to print them without one.

Post # 11
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399 posts
Helper bee
  • Wedding: October 2012

I hate to break this to you, but professional photographers generally don’t release a copyright period, and all of these “legitimate” scenarios are going to raise red flags with any professional. We all know that printers don’t require a copyright release to print, just a PRINT release in the name of the person doing the printing. The “lab wanting to do some editing” just doesn’t happen. Photographers who do give up copyright usually do it at a high high cost per file ($50-$100+ per file) because you’re essentially taking that image from them and they can’t use it in any other way for competitions, advertising, etc.

Unfortunately this is a sticky situation. Your best bet is to talk to your photographer about the editing and see if you can come to a resolution about further editing of the images (by HIM, since the images belong to him). Are the images on his website similar to the images you received? Why did you hire him in the first place if you didn’t like his style? A lot of people don’t realize the difference between “digital negatives” and “fully edited” images – it’s likely your package included digital negatives but not fully edited images.

Post # 12
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: October 2012

@lsvogel: more specifically, I think you may be getting some things mixed up in terms of usage/editing/printing.

Your boudoir photographer won’t touch the photos without a release specifically from your wedding photographer giving permission to edit the photos. This is a copyright release, not a print release. So telling your wedding photographer the print company wants a copyright release (which no print companies ask for) will not get you the release your boudoir photographer needs to alter the images, and even if this photographer did allow it (I don’t know any pros who would), if you tell him it’s for a print company he would likely put that release in the print company’s name, NOT your boudoir photographer.

Your biggest tool here is what your images look like vs. the images you saw that made you decide to hire him. Is there a big difference? What exactly did your package/contract include?

Post # 13
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: November 2012

@lsvogel:They didn’t know that they’d been edited–they just appeared to be of professional quality. He hadn’t done any vanity editing so I went ahead and balanced the skin tones and did some teeth whitening using tools in iPhoto on my Mac.

Post # 14
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399 posts
Helper bee
  • Wedding: October 2012

@Mrs.Darling: I guarantee you by copyright release they mean release for Walmart specifically to print the images taken on ___ date for ____ client. I do this all the time – Walmart (and any other commercial printer) does not expect to have copyrights for all the photos they print. But that’s not the issue here. The issue is getting a copyright/edit release for another photographer to edit someone’s work. My guess is she already has a conditional print release if she has a CD of photos.

Post # 16
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Bumble bee

I have NEVER seen or heard of any professional giving away copyright other than a print release.  They may SELL it to you, but the price will be steep.  I wouldn’t fool around with this, photographers take copyright infringement very seriously and it could end up very expensive for you.

I think your only option at this point is to work with your photographer.  Is he capable of doing the editing?  Are the images you have just “proofs?”  Does he supply retouching for any ordered prints or your album?  I think you need to get answers to these questions on why the images are not retouched, and why they don’t like the samples he showed you when you booked him (or do they????).  By the cropping comment, it sounds like he took a lot of environmental images, and not close up portraits.  This could be an issue, by the time you crop, you may not have enough pixels left for a decent size print.  Can you post a few so we can see what you are referring to?

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