(Closed) Diamond question…

posted 6 years ago in Rings
Post # 4
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1866 posts
Buzzing bee

@mrand2008:  As far as clarity, the pictures that people post here won’t be super helpful b/c a VS clarity level and higher won’t have inclusions visible to the naked eye. In My Humble Opinion, you should go as low as you can with clarity level and still be “eye clean”.  That way you won’t be paying for a premium that you can’t detect without using a loupe.  If you get a diamond in the SI grade, just make sure you inspect it to make sure it’s eye clean.  

Here’s mine, and it’s a G/VS2:

Post # 5
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1251 posts
Bumble bee
  • Wedding: October 2012

@mrand2008:  I definitely recommend going to see the stone in person before purchasing it (if possible). I found that even with the same grade (from the same appraiser), I would prefer the color or location of inclusions in one stone over another. Plus it gives you a feeling for what you like, some people don’t mind or even would rather have a warmer colored stone. I’m super color sensitive and like my stones a bit whiter. 

 

ETA: I’ll try to get a good picture of my diamond to post later. It’s a G, VS1 I believe. 

Post # 6
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339 posts
Helper bee

Ok, mine is colorless, an F I believe, but it is an I3 which mean it’s occluded. The woman who helped us recommended going for color over clarity, because just looking down at your hand, you will notice whether or not it’s yellow more easily than seeing the inclusions, which are only really visible if I look at it up close (which I can see for sure, it looks like cracks but it’s really not).

 

There are different kinds of inclusions though, some are like colorless cracks like mine, and others are more like black spots, which are more visible. As far as  I understand it anyway ๐Ÿ™‚

Post # 7
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5189 posts
Bee Keeper
  • Wedding: January 2010

I recommend going to Price Scope and looking on the forums, like Rocky Talky, as well as in the tutorials, AND the Show me the Bling threads. Good Old Gold also has excellent tutorials and video. The posters on PS can also help find diamonds in your range with excellent specs.

The main thing is that “cut is king”. Cut will make lower colours face up whiter and brighter, sparkle more, and so on. It will even make a stone face up bigger, not only because there is less light leakage, but because it won’t be cut just for weight (many poorer cuts are cut to meet a magical mark, like 1 ct, even if it means the stone is too deep, too shallow, etc). I have seen poorly cut 1ct stones face up more like a .5 or .75 ideal/excellent cut. I NEVER EVER EVER see PS’ers recommend going down in cut whereas many are plenty willing to go down on colours, clarity or carat!

How colour sensitive you are will affect what colour grade is important to you. Many people are not at all colour-sensitive and see a H, for example, as white enough for them, etc. Some really want a very, very icy white look and want colourless in the D-F range, and maybe even with fluorescence to make it uber-white. Most are quite happy in near colourless (G-I), some are quite alright with a J, and others (like me) actually prefer warm stones (K, L, M and below) due to the cuts we like (antique cuts). The cut will also affect what colour you want, as fancy cuts show colour more than RB’s, and step cuts usually call for a colourless to near-colourless stone. Stones also tend to look whiter when set (as long as in the right metal for that stone).

As for inclusions, on Price Scope many will say going down to SI1 is okay as long as it is eyeclean to YOUR standards, to save cost and maybe go up in other more important to you areas (size, colour). Some trusted vendors online can help pick out stones for yo this way, but you should ALWAYS check the stone yourself. Your eyes may be different than someone elses. Some are more inclusion sensitive though and would never go below a VS1 or VS2, others need VVS1 for mind-clean aspects. It also depends on the inclusion – they type, the location of it (is it able to be covered by a prong), does it affect performance (ie does itblock light return), does it weaken the diamond, does it look cloudy and lifeless? Personally, I would be okay with SI1 as long as eye clean within about 6″ and would prefer a twinning whisp of some sort over a obvious carbon spot or surface breaking fracture. I would not recommend going below that or S12 for an engagement ring stone. my exception would be if that grading was due to it being an antique cut with chipped girdle issues that could be protected, etc. But yeah, while I love lower colours, I personally am pretty picky when it comes to seeing inclusions, (as well as when it comes to cut).

I would NOT recommend just going to any old jewelery store in the mall to look. Often they are not GIA graded stones, and grading by, say EGL is notoriously bad (an EGL H, SI1 may be a GIA J or K, I2). I would find a reputable dealer, or somewhere where you can look at Hearts on Fire diamonds, etc. If you can even travel somewhere to one of the Pricescope vendors in NY, etc, I would even suggest doing that to get a good look at some great stones, have a great experience, and really learn a heck of a lot!

 

 

 

Post # 8
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3000 posts
Sugar bee
  • Wedding: July 2012

My diamond is a G/SI1. There are no visible inclusions unless you put your eye up super close to the diamond in certain lights. I don’t have any carbon spots, just a few feathers in the stone.

 

Post # 9
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78 posts
Worker bee
  • Wedding: December 2012

@RayKay:  Thanks btw for the post that you helped me with!! It was very thorough in detail!

Post # 10
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5189 posts
Bee Keeper
  • Wedding: January 2010

@OCTYB:  No problem ๐Ÿ™‚

Post # 11
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1024 posts
Bumble bee
  • Wedding: July 2014

Im trying to find images of diamond cut comparissons (excellent-> poor) but cant find any onine? I mean images of real life diamonds to see how much of a difference it is. 

Post # 12
Hostess
11167 posts
Sugar Beekeeper

D/VS2:

Post # 13
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1473 posts
Bumble bee
  • Wedding: June 2012

I have a D VVS2. I think this is an awesome pcture of my diamond! You can see it perfectly!

 

And here it is far away….

Post # 14
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5189 posts
Bee Keeper
  • Wedding: January 2010

@teabiscuit:  Go to Pricescope and look at the knowledge section re cut, or make a post on RockyTalky asking for comparisons.

 There is most definitely a difference. Poor cuts create light leakage, dead and dark spots, smaller face ups, or too much shallowness, etc.

Look at this to start:

http://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/diamond-cut/

Post # 15
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913 posts
Busy bee
  • Wedding: April 2014

Here is one of the PriceScope pages. Some great pictures on this post: http://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/diamond-cut/

Cut makes a huge difference and there isn’t as much of a price premium on an excellent cut as there should be… especially when you consider that a great cut will do a better job of hiding any color or inclusions in the stone. So maybe you find that you can go down lower in color and clarity (and thus price) by choosing a better cut stone.

A well-cut diamond can also face up larger than a poorly-cut one. These diamonds are the same diameter, but the well-cut one on the left is .84 carat while the poorly-cut one on the right is 1.0 carat. And the well-cut one is just more fiery and beautiful.

 

There’s no reason to go for an inferior cut if you have the choice. CUT is KING!

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