Post # 1
Well I was informed of this while dress shopping yesterday. One of the consultants asked me if there are any dresses that I’m leaning towards, so I honestly told her yes there is a used Priscilla of Boston that I’m strongly leaning towards buying. The consultant is the salon’s merchandiser so she did know a lot about dresses, even other designers they did not carry.
So then she proceeded to tell me that PoB is owned by David’s Bridal, which I was a little shocked to hear to be honest. She said you pay for the beautiful showroom experience, they make you feel like a princess etc. Which does make sense. But I’m like, well isn’t the quality/cut etc. of the dress at a store like PoB generally a little better than some other lower end designers. She said fabric is fabric and that to her PoB dresses should be priced at around $1,500 compared to the 4-5k price tag they usually are.
One – to me that wasn’t very professional in that she told me that, obviously she’s of course trying to sell me the dress at her store I did like.
Two – I was curious to see if PoB was really owned by DB, so I looked it up online and what I found was that they aren’t “owned” by DB, but they are both owned by the same company now, which is May Companies.
Anyone know this or have opinions on it? I love the PoB dress and will prob. be buying it, so this new fact doesn’t deter me, but I found it kind of interesting I guess.
Post # 3
Hmm I hadn’t heard that. I’m thinking that since they are owned by the same company, it’s possible that they make the dresses for both in the same factory or nearby factories.
Post # 4
This is true with so many things… just look at makeup and cars
Though they are owned by the same company/group of investors, I think that has very little to do with fabric, designers, stores, etc.
I love POB, that’s what my dress is. And, in it’s own, equally respectable way, DB is a powerhouse.
Very smart investing, that’s for sure.
Post # 5
They also own Macy’s and all it’s affiliates (Robinson’s May, Marshall Fields, etc.).
Post # 6
So many companies are owned by even larger “umbrella” corporations. It doesn’t mean they have really anything in common except stock prices and executive board members.
My impression is that your consultant was just trying to make a quick sale. I personally find that to be a low-blow tactic- there should have been something else about the dresses that you were looking at that she could have talked about- not “dissing” the competition.
Post # 7
I don’t think that “fabric is fabric” I would be cautious of anyone that said that.
Post # 8
Um…. she’s a dumb#%$. Fabric is not fabric, construction is not construction, quality is not universal. Go with the Priscilla. Higher priced dresses are higher priced because of higher quality fabrics and trims. There is no way that the quality of fabric at DB is equal to that of PoB. She should probably STFU, she may know designers, but she obviously doesn’t know anything about the costruction side. No seamstress/costumer/fashion designer would EVER say “Fabric is fabric”. That’s like saying polyester is the same as cashmere and silk.
She was trying to sell you, absolutely.
Like the others said, it’s just an “umbrella” company. It’s the same thing as Limited Brands owning Victoria’s Secret, Bath and Body, White Barn Candle and the other stores they own or like Groomsmen owning Chevy, Buick Groomsmen and Cadillac.
Post # 9
Yeah, “fabric is fabric” is NOT true. Because polyester is not the same as silk, and not all silks are the same. Fabric quality is what kept me from buying at David’s (but then I was looking at their lower end dresses – some of the higher end ones might be made of nicer stuff).
Post # 10
If you look on DaVinci’s website they have the exact same dresses as Davd’s Bridal too. So they either make the dresses for DB or DB own’s them too.
Post # 11
@cincity75: I was curious, so I looked. DaVinci has this posted on their site:
DaVinci gowns are in no way affiliated with, connected with, sponsored by, manufactured by, or associated with any national chain store, including David’s Bridal.
It’s under their “about” section.
Post # 12
Well, think about cars. VW and Audi are owned by the same company. So are Toyota and Lexus, Nissan and Infiniti, Honda and Acura. The latter brands are all far more expensive due to the “fabric and construction.” It’s not surprising that one company has high end and lower end dresses, and it doesn’t mean that they’re made to the same design, fabric, or construction quality.
FYI – Christos was bought out by Amsale in case anyone is interested.
Post # 13
A $4-5K POB dress is going to be made of silk. You would see a huge difference in quality of lace, etc. Hopefully there are significant differences in construction too. They probably do not use the same factory as you would need a much more skilled seamstress for the POB dress. Even if it’s a lower-end POB dress that isn’t silk, there are many, many grades of polyester. I shopped for dresses at both POB and Davids. POB may be somewhat overpriced, but there’s definitely a difference.
Post # 14
I am so sorry that you didn’t have an “honest’ dress appointment.
I sew constantly. I don’t agree with her statement that “fabric is fabric”. Yes, fabric is fabric; however, there is a great difference between the quality of fabric compared to other fabric. Just like with anything else, you get what you pay for. And fabric is also a matter of taste.
Post # 15
uh oh.. I think she was just trying to sell! I work for an Apparel Company that produces low end to VERY HIGH end clothes. We DO NOT use the same fabrics and factories to produce both sets of goods. There is a reason why a store like DB can charge $400 for a dress, this is simply because the fabric that is bought is cheaper(as are the trims like lace, embroidery etc). They then get a factory at a ‘bargain’ so that they can get the dresses made at a lower cost so they can sell at those prices and still make a profit.
POB can sell a dress for $5000 because the fabric & trims are more expensive and they then pay a factory a decent price to make that dress, if they do not charge those $5K prices they won’t make a profit.
Post # 16
I worked in fashion and a lot of companies are supplemented by fashion designers that sell their designs to label companies. It’s cheaper than having a team of designers for the label and designers will also get to be more flexible in their styles. There’s also no copyright laws when it comes to fashion design. As in, we actually went to Bloomingdale’s, bought a Chloe sweater and had it remade in our yarn and colors. A year after I quit I saw one of our original designs on one of my students. when I asked her where she got it, she said Forever 21.
Unless you’re getting a custom couture dress, you’re not paying for original design. There’s a lot of frankensteining in the industry. It’s what a brand does with the fit and materials that you should worry about paying for. A fantastic fit is really where the quality is. that’s where all the knowledge of how materials work, the right sourcing, the right factories, and taking the time to fit, adjust, make another sample and repeat and repeat until it’s perfect come into play.
I don’t think it’s worth it to be brand conscious when it comes to wedding dress shopping. a lot of what you’re paying for is the advertising. But I am super picky when it comes to quailty. If I can see a bias seam through the front of my dress, tacked on lace appliques, chunky plastic crystals or visible base netting I’m like take it off please!