(Closed) Did you/will you circumcise?

posted 7 years ago in Babies
  • poll: Did you/will you circumcise?

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  • Post # 91
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    Bumble Beekeeper
    • Wedding: February 1997

    My sons are circumcized. Honestly, I don’t necessarily agree with it, and I probably found it as traumatic as the babies did. However, DH and I agreed before we were even married that he would make that decision. And before I am attacked, I AGREE with you that that is no justification and it doesn’t make it right. As it stands, in the part of the country I live in, it is overwhelmingly common (according to my children’s dr.), though it is becoming less routine in other parts of the country. Even my children’s pediatrician had her son circumsized (again, that is not a justification, just interesting).

    And I think the primary difference between male and female circumcision is that female circumcision usually involves removing the clitoris, not removing the clitoral hood. Removing the clitoral hood would be akin to removing the foreskin, but removing the clitoris would be the same as lopping off the penis. This is why the two are viewed as different, IMO, and why people tend to be overwhelmingly against female circumcision.

    Post # 92
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    Blushing bee

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    j_jaye:  Did I ever say that? No, I did not. Slow it down a little bit. Leave your kid intact. I don’t care. But do not tell me I’m mutilating my child rather than teaching him about safe sex. That is an incredibly typical response to a response that you feel is incorrect. I’ve cited my sources, I’ve provided factual and medical reasonings behind my personal opinions. I’ve been polite and made it quite clear that I don’t care what you do personally but I’ve made my own decision and these are the reasons behind it. You arent going to change my mind. In fact, by basically attacking me you push me further and further in to advocating for something I do believe is correct to allow people to see both sides of the argument rather than the scare tactics I see so often in regards to this topic. 

    You can leave your kid intact, shave it’s head, dress it in 700 shades of purple polka dots and green stripes, apply make up to him or her with what looks like bad airbrush until your heart is content and I still won’t care. You are doing what you believe is right and as it’s legal I don’t care. 

    Take a lesson in adult debate here, agree to disagree. State your facts, give credit where credit is due when you use other peoples material, be polite and respectful and don’t forget to put your big girl pants on. You will find your experiences in this realm to be more delightful and perhaps even learn a thing or two. 

    Post # 93
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    Worker bee

    No any future son of ours shall not be circumcised. To me, its unnecessary (unless its a medical issue ofcourse). For reference: SO isn’t. He is perfectly clean and fantastic 😉 I don’t think its gross at all. Infact, circumcised penises (peni?) look like they are naked to me (LOL!!!!!! hashtag irony :P)

    Post # 94
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    Bumble bee
    • Wedding: July 2012

    We did not. Our twin boys are 6 months old and I feel now more than ever that we did the right thing for us. At first I wasn’t sure. Myguaband is circumsized, so are my brothers and it’s simply Has been the norm for many years. My husband, did not want his sons circumsized because he personally feels that had he had been able to make the choice for himself, his penis would be unaltered. He cites a few reasons that make sense to me. I’m a nurse, so obviously um silly aware of pros and cons on both sides. at first we had a lot of negative reactions from our older relatives when they saw out babies being diapered. They just couldn’t understand why we didn’t circumsize. They mistakenly thought all boys are circumsized, that it’s unhygienic. I tried to explain that these days parents are making a choice, and it no longer defaults to circumcision. This poll is a fine example of how it seems to be half and half these days. Our I circumsized sons won’t be the only ones with foreskin in the locker room…far from it….things are changing people! respect one another’s choices.

    Post # 96
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    Blushing bee

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    aussiemum1248:  He was done as a baby, but he’s done a lot of research on it himself and says he can feel ‘dull’ spots, mostly the dark ring where the foreskin was. I haven’t delved too much into it or his sources but I believe him. Having your glans exposed all day every day is bound to dull the nerves in that too, but that’s just a guess because he can’t exactly be sure considering he doesn’t remember having foreskin.

    Better safe than having little feeling in your penis, I guess.

    Post # 97
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    Blushing bee

    I understand the entire concept of braces. One of my nearest and dearest is an orthodontist. He has one of the larger client bases in the area. A vast majority of his work is done for esthetic purposes. The vast majority of people who had braces that I know, my BF included, did not have them solely for medical reasons but for esthetic purposes as well. A bite issue is something you can live with, braces are something that can correct and prevent issues down the road but doesn’t always 100% effective. On the same token, a circ is something that is done for medical reasons or esthetic reasons or both. It can prevent issues down the road but it is not 100% that it will. If you don’t do it it’s not the end of the world, if you do it’s not either. 

    If I say he’s getting braces, he is. Period. In a typical situation he will be more aware of the pain and suffering, it will last longer and he will have to personally do more upkeep on braces than he will a typical circ. The healing time for circ is normally around 1 week. Braces last for several years. In reality they can be more life altering as everyone sees your mouth and in reality I hope no man is flipping around their penis to everyone they smile at. 

    Post # 98
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    Bumble Beekeeper
    • Wedding: February 1997

    I agree that braces are given to older children, who can be reasoned with and know what is happening and why. But I would disagree with giving a child a choice about braces because every child I’ve known would reject them if they were allowed. I have two children who will be getting braces put on in early December, and they do NOT want them. But, as you mentioned, one of them has an underbite and the other has crowded teeth and a small arch. Both had pre-orthodontic work when they were younger because their needs were/are extensive enough to warrant two rounds of braces/expanders/etc. They will thank me when they are adults, but neither is happy about it now!

    Post # 99
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    Bumble Beekeeper

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    Can.I.Be.Mrs.C.:  You do know that the American Peadeatric Association now calls circumcision unecessary and that the pain felt is “severe”? 

    Also it is great to have medical sources but you also have to look at who is funding these sources. In the USA the system of medical companies buying off people is so common that most research out of the USA is laughed at by medical researchers in other countries. 

    The fact is that in the USA there is something like 3,000 done a minute. That is a multi billion dollar industry. Do you really think you are going to get impartial information from a community that stuffs it’s pillows on one procedure? That any business (because that is what healthcare is in the USA a business) is going to cut it’s highest profit/smallest outlay earner? So excuse me if I would rather take my medical research information from nueturally funded organisations.

    And as for the spread of HIV/STI. The same study you are quoting by WHO also says that it is only effective in areas of high HIV contraction, like Africa where religion and governments give little rights to women, especially to wives to deny sex, healthcare is minimal and education is even more scace than healthcare. That there are no benefits in Western societies like the USA where other opportunities such as education and freely available barrier methods are widely available.

    Removing a perfectly nature and functioning part of someones genitals is mutilation unless it is for medical issues which are rare. The foreskin acts in much the same way thst the eyelids do. Would you remove your childs eyelids? So why their foreskin?

     

    Post # 100
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    Busy bee
    • Wedding: August 2016

    I’m going to leave it up my BF (we’ve talked about this before). New foreign and uncircumcised, and he feels strongly that circumcision isn’t necessary. I don’t have the parts/haven’t lived with it either way, so I’ll defer to his judgment here. It felt like I would be a hypocrite otherwise because I ABSOLUTELY cringe when men try to have an opinion in women health issues/birth control.

    Post # 101
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    Blushing bee

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    j_jaye: 

    Again, personal experience with my own child would tell me that he was not in severe pain, he did not as much as whimper when they performed the procedure. He screamed freakish bloody murder during several of his 20 plus heel sticks for jaundice when he was in the exact same environment with the same tight upper body swaddle. 

    I understand that you don’t agree with the way that medical research in the US is conducted. It saved my life, literally. And it’s recommended I get a mammogram yearly even at my young age because of a medical condition I have. I also get quarterly CBCs and monthly urine screens at the recommendation of my doctor. They make a ton of money off of that same procedure. I trust my medical professionals and still do my research. I make my decision based upon what is best for my situation. I have a nasty history of UT issues including several surgeries that seems to stem from a series of untreated UT issues. It wasn’t due to lack of available medical care as much as me, a child, not knowing what was going on wasn’t normal. The fact it can assist with UT issues was all of the research I needed to know it was right for me. 

    Eyelids do much more than foreskin, as they do protect the only means of sight from being fully destroyed. Last time I checked my BFs penis is fully functional without his foreskin. 

    Post # 102
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    Bumble Beekeeper

    I also want to point out that there have been many medical procedures that were once the “norm” but are now considered outdated and/or extreme. A radical mastectomy used to be the treatment du jour for breast cancer but more recent research is concluding that a mastectomy may not make any difference in recurrance rates and a lumpectomy is performed more often than a mastectomy today.

    In the 1950’s it was common to confine women to bed for two weeks after delivery. 

    The fact is that circumcision in the USA is a hang over from the late 1800’s . I think it says a lot when a country such as South Africa, which has a long cultural connection to circumcision, can declare it illegal (under the children’s act of 2005) except in medical and religious cases yet the USA’s medical community won’t despite most of the rest of the Western World’s government health organisations have spoken out to say it is unneccessary.

     

    Post # 103
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    Helper bee
    • Wedding: September 2014

    I don’t want to raise a son with a stronger predisposition to both carrying and transmitting STD, nor do I want a son with penile cancer (the only cases of penile cancer have been in uncircumcised men) so my son will be circumcised. 

    I practice medicine. I believe in REAL science and not the propaganda circulating on the internet. Therefore…vaccines and circumcision FTW. 

    Also I have personally performed many a circumcision. It is not as barbaric as one would have you think. The children were comfortable and did not cry aside from the nerve block. 

    Post # 104
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    Helper bee
    • Wedding: September 2014

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    j_jaye:  This is directly from the American Academy of Pediatrics website. 

    Evaluation of current evidence indicates that the health benefits of newborn male circumcision outweigh the risks and that the procedure’s benefits justify access to this procedure for families who choose it, however, existing scientific evidence is not sufficient to recommend routine circumcision.”<br />

    This was revised in approx 2012 (I think) and is not what you stated above. Nowhere do they claim it is unnecessary, they feel that the benefits outweigh the risks and are in favor of the procedure. They stop just short of recommending routine circs but it is a pretty convincing recommendation from the national pediatric medicine body. Please don’t make things up. 

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