(Closed) Did you/will you circumcise?

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  • Post # 121
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    Bumble Beekeeper

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    HelloBlondie:  So you base you entire assumption on 1 study. Great scientific method there.

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    HelloBlondie:  BRCA is one type of breast cancer and is not even the most prominent type. As I said 1 in 3 women get breast cancer  which is a hell of a lot higher than the rates of penile cancer but no one tells all women to cut their breasts off just in case.

     

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    Post # 122
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    Helper bee

    Hopefully by the time I have another daughter there is a surgery to remove her labia so I don’t have to teach her how to clean it and she won’t get teased for her ‘flaps’ at school! I mean she may wonder where half her vagina is and why she has decreased sensitivity…but at least her future boyfriends will be happier?

    While we’re at, why don’t we create a laser system that can stop pubic hair developing in females alltogether? We all know her future husband won’t want any hair down there.. so I might as well make the decision as her parent right?

     

    Post # 123
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    Worker bee

    I am genuinely surprised that circumcision is so widely practised in US among non-religious people. In my country, and, as far as I know, in other European countries too, it’s done only for medical or religious reasons. So, if those boys who are circumcised to avoid teasing in school would for some reason move to Europe or to areas where it’s not common, they may as well be teased because they ARE cut. Case proven, our perception on what is “normal” practice regarding body modification is purely culture-dependent (the same with female genital mutilation, practices regarding body hair, ear piercing, tattoos etc.) and are not rational decisions based on actual benefits to health.

    Obviously, I would not circumcise my son if I have one, this option would never even cross my mind. Men in the part of world I’m living are just fine with their intact penises and know how to keep themselves clean.

    Post # 124
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    Bee Keeper
    • Wedding: April 2014

    Nope. Cutting body parts off of newborns isnt something I want any part of.

    Post # 125
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    Bumble Beekeeper

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    HelloBlondie:  Just so you know

    In 1993, Christopher Maden, Ph.D., et al. reported a study 29 in which 110 men with penile cancer, diagnosed from January 1979, to July, 1990, were interviewed. Of these 110 men, 22 had been circumcised at birth, 19 later in life, and 69 never. The majority of the men interviewed were intact, 37% were circumcised, and 20% had been circumcised as infants. In circumcised men, the cancer usually occurs along the line of the circumcision scar. Finland, where circumcision is extremely rare, has a low incidence of penile cancer.48

    It is thus categorically not true that circumcision eliminates the risk of penile cancer, although that assertion has been made nonchalantly in a number of papers by Schoen, Wiswell, and Weiss. In fact, the data indicate that only other factors — among them cigarette smoking,22,30 genital warts, and 30 or more sexual partners — contribute to the risk of penile carcinoma.27

    To paraphrase Dr. George Denniston: Cancer of the penis is very rare, with a lifetime risk of between 1/600 and 1/1300. It strikes mostly older men. Even if circumcision could prevent it completely (which it does not), about a thousand foreskin amputations would be necessary to prevent one cancer of the penis. A thousand infants would be mutilated, and several would die to prevent that one case of cancer. Who could scientifically advocate foreskin amputation for this reason?

    In its 1996 Statement, the Canadian Paediatric Society noted:

    Cadman, Gafni and McNamee… calculated that the cost of circumcising 100,000 male infants is $3.8 million and that this maneuver would prevent only two cases of cancer of the penis. … they estimated that the cost of prevention would be 100 times the cost of treatment.

     

    The most common cause of penile cancer, like cervical cancer, is HPV. HPV is an STI. So how about instead of cutting our children we teach them to have safe sex, give them the HPV vaccination which targets the two specific types that cause cancer and teach our kids to get routinely checked for STI’s. Instead of teaching abstinence which won’t help anyone planning to have sex anyway. 

    Post # 126
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    Helper bee
    • Wedding: September 2014

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    j_jaye:  An analysis spanning 40 years and a review of multiple studies? My source, once again was the Center for Disease Control. 

    And BRCA isnt a “type” of cancer. It’s a genetic mutation with a strong predisposition towards it. 

    Again…let the science folks do sciency things. 

    Post # 127
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    Bumble Beekeeper

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    HelloBlondie:  did you even read my second post where the sciency folk debunked your study multiple times?

    And yes I am well aware that they are a mutation but since we are mostly lay people here it is easier to describe them as a type of breast cancer (commonly know as brca positive breast cancer). I know an awful lot about bc since I have it.

    Congratulations on thinking the CDC is the bee all and end all of the scientific community (love that America is right thinking again). The CDC an organisation that is funded by the US government, the US government made up of politicians that recieve rather large campaign donations from the medical industry. Hmmm no bias there at all.

    I like how you are choosing to ignore the research and policy statements of countless countries that disagree with the USA. 1 vs 20- yeah I think I will take my recommendations from the 20 or so countries that independently came to the same conculsion.

    Post # 128
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    Bumble bee
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    j_jaye:  I love a good NNTT 

    Post # 129
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    Bumble bee
    • Wedding: June 2015

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    HelloBlondie:  I’m pretty sure that correlational research does not prove cause, only a connection. In fact, I’m completely sure.

    So the studies you quoted show that there is a quantifiable link between being circumcised and not developing penile cancer in later years. It does not show that getting circumcised is the reason they did not develop penile cancer. It could be that the men who were circumcised came from a different relisions or social background than those who weren’t, they could have been less likely to partake in activities that may cause cancer or exposed to different environmental causes or who knows.

    “Make whatever decision you wish for your family and I will respect that but don’t argue the science. It’s the source twisting and scare tactics of the “intactivists” and antivaxxers that make me and my colleagues crazy. Stick to whatever it is you do for a living and let the medical providers do their job.”

    <br style=”box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; max-height: 1000000px;” />First off, “antivaxxers” are absolutely not the only group of people who use scare tactics and fear mongering. Think flu shot propaganda. It’s designed to make you feel like you HAVE to get a flu shot. And guess who half of that comes from? Oh the government and the CDC! They are not the end all be all.

    If you and your colleagues truly believe that we have no right to learn about our bodies, the medical procedures we put them through, and discuss the things we’ve learned in a public forum because we are not medical professionals.. I honestly don’t even know what to think of the fact that there are medical professionals who feel that way. Personally, I consult medical professionals for advice. Not to dictate what I choose to do with my body. 

    Post # 130
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    Buzzing bee
    • Wedding: June 2014 - DD born 2015 DS born 2017

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    marymary123:  A parent has absolutely no right to surgically alter a child for non-medical reasons. When the child is old enough to choose (maybe 12, the same age I chose to pierce my ears) and wants it done, then great.

    Post # 131
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    Buzzing bee
    • Wedding: June 2014 - DD born 2015 DS born 2017

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    Kaites4:  ‘I initially wanted to because, honestly, I do prefer the appearance of an uncut penis. ‘

    That’s up to your child to decide, not you.

    Post # 132
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    Busy bee
    • Wedding: May 2013

    Absolutely, its more sanitary plus we are Jewish and will have a bris. 

    Post # 133
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    Busy bee
    • Wedding: May 2013

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    MrsYoshida:  i disagree…to wait until the child is old enough to decide is more traumatic and emotional (especially socially) than doing it when he’s a baby. We live in the US and in my area it is the social norm, I could never imagine not doing it!

    Post # 134
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    Newbee
    • Wedding: May 2014 - Forsyth Park in Savannah, GA

    I can tell you from a nursery nurse’s perspective that it is not medically necessary. Simply teach your kid to wash his penis before chopping a piece of it off. If your child, despite proper education on cleaning, develops recurrent UTIs- then that is a discussion you may want to have. I don’t see how people justify it because “everyone else does it, so I should.” Or even the research that shows some decrease in men getting STDs when they are cut… teach your kid to wear a condom. That is like saying female circumsion is okay because it reduces STDs because it reduces sex drive. Forget the procedure and the fact that the local anesthetic doesn’t work half the time. Focus on the fact that is isn’t your penis, and condoms and soap and water work just fine.

    Post # 135
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    Sugar bee
    • Wedding: April 2015

    A few things:

    Fiance was ever teased for having an intact penis. More likely, other boys would have been seen as the odd ones for studying and remarking on another dude’s junk

    Flaccid, yeah, circumcised is prettier. But I also don’t think floppy labia are especially pretty. Should I have my daughter clipped in I don’t find her genitals aesthetically pleasing? 

    Ladies, we have something called a clitoral hood. It covers and protects the most sensitive part of the body, the glans clitoris. A foreskin covers the glans penis, a man’s most sensitive part. Fiance says he can’t imagine having that part chafing against underwear and other skin. Frankly, I can’t either. I like my hood, and I don’t want it removed!

    The only reason I even knew Fiance wasn’t circumcised was him telling me. Since I usually see his penis, um, at attention, and there’s very little visual difference then. I’d have figured it out eventually, but at first glance 1) I had no clue, and 2) it didn’t matter to me

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