(Closed) Do you consider the political/social view of a business before you patronize it?

posted 8 years ago in The Lounge
  • poll: Do you consider the political/social view of a business before you patronize it?
    Yes : (22 votes)
    28 %
    No : (20 votes)
    25 %
    Sometimes : (38 votes)
    48 %
  • Post # 3
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    3762 posts
    Honey bee
    • Wedding: May 2010

    Yea, it seems like if you really wanted to take this seriously, then you would never be able to shop anywhere or you would be researching ALL the time!

    I think its great to stand up for what you believe in, and put your money where your mouth is.  However, I think so many of these companies have shell companies, etc that you would never be able to find out about (well within a reasonable about of research). 

    Post # 4
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    5147 posts
    Bee Keeper
    • Wedding: June 2011

    I don’t split things up by political party, to me, that’s way to broad and a sweeping generalization.

    If you figure things that way, then you essentially won’t be able to shop at 50% of stores. And what about their employees? Some employees are of either political party.

    If it is something very specific though (such is if they themselves organized Westboro Baptist Church style protest), rather than in a round-about way donating to something that 3 steps down the line was something you were against.

    And for what it’s worth, do you really agree 100% with either political party? Not many do, most choose what they feel is the “lesser of 2 evils”. There’s no way I could completely align myself politically with a single party’s ideas, and I think most people are like that.

    If you don’t mine me asking, where’d you find the information about what they donated and to what political party?

    Post # 5
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    5147 posts
    Bee Keeper
    • Wedding: June 2011

    Also I wonder, where do you draw the line? I often think this when I see PETA members saying how evil farmers are, yet they are more than willing to eat crops grown by farmers (and many independent farmers raise both crops and cattle), so they are still “supporting” the same farmers by buying soy.

    How far are you going to be willing to take your research? Would you not buy food from certain companies becuase the farmers were of a different political party than you?

     

     

    Sorry if I’m ranting. One thing I hate is the “us versus them” mentality between the political parties and their members. I think we all need to work together. Remember “united we stand”.

    I’m not saying you have to agree with everything the opposing party says/does (heck, I don’t think people even agree with their everything their own political party does), but also don’t automatically see the other political party or it’s members as the enemy. (And for what it’s worth, I’d say the vast majority of young conservatives are in support of gay marriage, but it’s the older folks holding back, and it’s the older folks who are the ones running for office or in office for the last 30 years.)

    Post # 6
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    1882 posts
    Buzzing bee
    • Wedding: June 2010

    Posted: August 5th, 2010 08:02 PM ET

    Washington (CNN) – Retail giant Target has said it is “sorry” after the company donated money to a group that backs a candidate who opposes same-sex marriage.

    The candidate, Tom Emmer, hopes to win Minnesota’s Republican gubernatorial primary.

    On Thursday, Gregg Steinhafel – the company’s chairman, CEO and president – issued an apology to Target managers and other employees. The letter addresses Target’s $150,000 contribution to a group called MN Forward.

    “I have heard from many of you, and our team members, over the past week regarding Target’s contribution to MN Forward,” Steinhafel wrote. “The intent of our political contribution to MN Forward was to support economic growth and job creation.”

    MN Forward – which says it’s focused on job creation – has spent $200,000 on ads supporting Emmer, a candidate who is staunchly against same-sex marriage.

     

    That has caused loud criticism of Target’s contribution to MN Forward. Pro-gay rights advocates angrily claim that a company that prides itself on welcoming all people should not contribute to a group that endorses an anti same-sex marriage candidate.

    Many gays and lesbians online have urged a boycott of Target. In his letter, the Target chief said that the decision to contribute to MN Forward “affected many of you in a way I did not anticipate, and for that I am genuinely sorry.”

    The Target chief added: “We remain fully committed to fostering an environment that supports and respects the rights and beliefs of all individuals.”

    Emmer’s campaign spokesman Brian Walsh told CNN the situation has been blown out of proportion.

    “It’s been turned into something else and that’s unfortunate,” Walsh said. “The number one issue facing the state of Minnesota is job creation.”

    Walsh defended MN Forward, telling CNN that creating jobs is the group’s main focus and “that’s what Target contributed to.”

    MN Forward did not respond to CNN calls for comment.

    Mark Dayton, the Democrat favored to win his party’s primary, is Emmer’s potential opponent. Dayton’s family built the Dayton’s Department Stores into the Target Corporation. However, the candidate has never managed the company and does not currently own any Target stock.

    Filed under: 2010 • Minnesota • Same-sex marriage

    Post # 7
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    58 posts
    Worker bee
    • Wedding: August 2010

    I don’t think the post and the poll are about the political party that the business supports, rather specific causes that may or may not jive with a buyer. It was very disappointing to find out that Target is donating to the campaigns of anti-gay equality candidates. That was for two reasons: That I disagree with those candidates, and that Target is using its might for political purposes.

    An example of a social practice that made me stop patronizing a store is H&M cutting up unsold merchandize rather than donating it. They will cut the clothes up before putting them in dumpsters, so that no one can pick them out of the dumpsters.

    I try my best to buy fair trade, and to avoid sweatshops. It’s difficult given a limited budget and how common a lot of unsavory practices are. So I do, indeed, feel like a hypocrite often Frown.

    Post # 8
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    1882 posts
    Buzzing bee
    • Wedding: June 2010

    I think the issue is that Target donated money to Tom Emmer-not specifically that it donated to the republican party.

    Post # 9
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    11325 posts
    Sugar Beekeeper
    • Wedding: February 2011

    In general, I would say that yes I absolutely avoid stores that I know try to further political agendas I don’t agree with. The Target donation doesn’t really offend me though. Target is first and foremost a store. I don’t expect it to have a serious conscious at the expense of profits. If this candidate was going to help the store and also happens to be anti-gay rights… well it is kind of unfortunate and maybe Target shouldn’t have donated but I don’t think it is the same thing as being actually anti-gay rights. 

    But yes… if I know a store owner’s beliefs they do come into play. For example, in my hometown there is a little fruit/home baked type store that is family run and uses their sign out front to put up anti-abortion messages all the time (which um… have NOTHING to do with fruit or pie). I would not shop there. 

    Post # 11
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    5147 posts
    Bee Keeper
    • Wedding: June 2011

    I agree with @CorgiTales. I highly doubt Target chose to donate to this candidate because of his stance on gay rights, in all likelyhood they donated because they thought something else the candidate was promising something that would help their business.

    I do get what you’re saying though. There’s a yoga studio in my town I won’t go to because they have a bunch of PETA hand-outs on their desk for people to take.

    Post # 12
    Member
    58 posts
    Worker bee
    • Wedding: August 2010

    Oooh, yes, just re-did my reading on H&M. Thanks! Cheap, ill-fitting clothes, here I come!

    Post # 13
    Member
    866 posts
    Busy bee
    • Wedding: December 2011

    Interesting question. I’ll refrain from commenting about my regular shopping habits and reasons for shopping at particular stores, but I will say that my fiance and I have chosen to be very selective about our wedding vendors based on their views and ours. For example, we will not hire an officiant who is against (or would refuse to perform) a same-sex marriage ceremony. The same goes for photographers we’re considering — they get a bonus point for posting same-sex marriage shots on their blogs. So far it hasn’t been too difficult, but it’s a thought that stays in the back of our minds.

     

    Post # 14
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    2090 posts
    Buzzing bee
    • Wedding: August 2010

    I don’t generally do research before buying from a store, but I will stop buying/patronizing if I find out that they give substantial sums of money to causes I don’t agree with.

    I won’t patronize Curves, Dominos Pizza and Carl’s Jr. (their founders give tons of money to very militant anti-choice groups – money they get from customers – and well, Dominos Pizza is gross lol), WalMart, and now, Target. But I dislike shopping at big-box stores anyhow, so WalMart and Target are easy to avoid.

    I try very hard not to buy any product tested on animals, but I’m sure once in a while I buy one. I don’t buy any meat that comes fom big slaughterhouses.

    Post # 15
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    Honey bee
    • Wedding: October 2010

    Seriously, I just replied and it didn’t post… and now I cant get my post…. which was rather long….

    In short,

    MN Foundation is what Target Donated to. NOT the Cadidate.

    MN Foundation has donated to both Dems and Republicans

    MN Foundation is about creating jobs, in the area where Target is headquartered. Perhaps this candidate had the best job growth plans…. so MN foundation supported them…

    Bottom line, Target gave $150,000 to a pro-JOB GROWTH foundation, not an anti-gay group. They donate over 3 million a week… which is about 3 times more than WalMart. To them, $150k is like handing a $20 to a homeless person to you and me. 

    Honestly, I think you’re blowing this way out of proportion, and I’m not a fan of “tit for tat” the whole “the only way to rectify is to donate equal amounts to pro-gay groups” We’d get no where if this always happened and I can pretty much guarantee, if the situation was reversed, LGBT groups would be PISSED if they donated in turn to a candidate against gay marriage…

    $150,000 is so small in the grand scheme of their giving, accept their apology and move on. Look at their stats instead. Target is one of the highest ranking large corps. for “acceptance” and diversity. 

    Post # 16
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    6661 posts
    Bee Keeper
    • Wedding: May 2010

    I don’t think I could ever understand the political/social views of a company well enough to form an opinion about whether or not I should shop there in the first place. I tend to patronize stores more often when there is evidence products have been made in the US or they are creating jobs. Also, more than anything, I feel much more inclined to shop at places where I don’t feel constantly cheated out of my money with unfair return policies and inflated pricing. I would pay more to buy something nice at Nordstrom than here at Saks where I have bought clothes that went on sale the next day and they refused to let me return it or refund the difference.

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