Post # 242
The Civil War was actually about the South being unjustly taxed by the North. The North’s economy was superior blah blah blah economic differences blah blah blah.
So yes, the Civil War was not about slavery.
That doesn’t mean that displaying the Confederate flag is any better once you understand that. It’s become a symbol of oppression and racism NOW even if it didn’t start out that way.
By displaying it, you are just trying to get a rise out of people.
Post # 243
I will never apologize to anyone for saying something I believe… That should be all our of attitudes. People on here are grown and don’t need to get so butt hurt over little things
Post # 244
Interesting to read all the responses. For the most part it has been a great discussion minus a couple people. Ill take that!
Post # 245
You seem to have the attitude of “I can say whatever I want! You taking offense to what I’m doing is not my problem! You’re too sensitive!” and while I’m not calling you a bigot, you have to realize that those are basically the same lines every bigot I’ve ever come across trods out as a defense. What you are saying and doing (as in changing your avartar after reading first hand that it upsets people) blends in pretty seamlessly with what bigots and “but I’m not racist!” people do and say. Are you okay with that?
Secondly, somewhere earlier in this thread you facetiously said something like “Probably doesn’t mean much coming from a racist,redneck asshole like me ;)” as if people have made some unfair assumptions about you. Listen, I don’t know you from a hole in the wall. The only judgment I can make about you is from what you’ve shown me here. And what you’ve shown me is that you don’t care about people’s feelings, you don’t care about being sensitive to a history of oppression, you don’t care that there are people here saying that they are deeply offended by what you’ve chosen to proudly display. You’ve shown me that you enjoy provoking people solely to get a rise out of them. You’ve shown me that you’re okay with reducing our reaction to the horrors that were committed by bearers of that flag since the civil war as “a fuss over a patterned piece of cloth.” That piece of cloth has a lot of blood on it. [content moderated for name-calling]
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Post # 247
You wrote all of that and guess what? She (or he or troll or whatever) won’t care. Even when a black person said they were offended she basically didnt care….
Post # 248
ugh I know. It’s just infuriating. [content moderated for personal attack]
Post # 250
thank you for saying this. This thread has been incredibly upsetting. We are all people and all have feelings. People can be so nasty on the internet. I was looking through the rules, and there is nothing banning offensive avatars. I think we should talk to the mods about this.
Post # 251
I think she/he enjoys it. After all, she responds to EVERY post with something more ignorant than the previous one. I think we are going to get exhausted first. Plus, it is easy to say whatever you want on the internet.
Post # 252
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Post # 253
I wouldn’t say “offended” because that isn’t what I’ve felt seeing this flag but I woulnd’t say I it didn’t bug me either. I lived in the South for a couple years and that was the first time ever seeing this flag raised. I never knew people still did this just like I never knew there was so much racism out there still too. Must have been niave but growing up in a really diverse area I just didn’t see it growing up-ever. It was pretty shocking. I dealt a lot with people from rural Appalacian mountain area.. the “back woods” and could pretty much guarantee they would have that flag raised and if they told you why you would be offended. I lived there during the 2008 Elections where Barak Obama was running so maybe that is why I heard more racist comments then normal. Drove me crazy and was happy to move!
Post # 254
Hey all! So we’re getting tons of flags here. I’m going to close this thread down for the time being so we can review. Plus it sounds like we’re all pretty much in agreement that enough is enough. 🙂 Thanks!
Post # 254
The North owned slaves as well, so that comment is biased. W.T. Sherman owned many slaves well after the war and did not release them until 1865. Robert E. Lee freed his slaves. Emancipation Proclamation” of Lincoln only gave freedom to slaves in the SOUTH! NOT in the North!
he Confederate Battle Flag today finds itself in the center of much controversy and hoopla going on in several states. The cry to take this flag down is unjustified. It is very important to keep in mind that the Confederate Battle Flag was simply just that. A battle flag. It was never even a National flag, so how could it have flown over a slave nation or represented slavery or racism? This myth is continued by lack of education and ignorance. Those that villify the Confederate Battle Flag are very confused about history and have jumped upon a bandwagon with loose wheels.
These dispicable organizations such as the KKK and Aryans have taken a hallowed piece of history, and have plagued good Southern folks and the memories of fine Confederate Soldiers that fought under the flag with their perverse agenda. IN NO WAY does the Confederate Flag represent hate or violence.
The Southern Nation had 3 different National flags during the course of the war. I guess those represented slavery and racism as well. So then that means the Northern Flag which was used during that battle should be banned since it should be seen as representing the same exact thing.
Post # 255
sorry, but no.
The Confederate flag is a deliberate symbol of the white man’s alleged supremacy. The designer of the flag said so.
As a people, we are fighting to maintain the Heaven-ordained supremacy of the white man over the inferior or colored race; a white flag would thus be emblematical of our cause.… Such a flag…would soon take rank among the proudest ensigns of the nations, and be hailed by the civilized world as THE WHITE MAN’S FLAG.… As a national emblem, it is significant of our higher cause, the cause of a superior race, and a higher civilization contending against ignorance, infidelity, and barbarism. Another merit in the new flag is, that it bears no resemblance to the now infamous banner of the Yankee vandals.
Furthermore, the Confederacy was against the USA, they seceded and commited treason, why would anyone be proud of that? It slays me when people think it’s patriotic to wave the confederate flag. Read some history.
Lastly, the issue at hand is the horrific loss of human rights inflicted on slaves. the south was fighting to maintain their “way of life”, a way only sustained on the backs of people who were kidnapped, murdered and raped.
yes, the flag is offensive and no, it’s not heritage. No it’s not up for debate, it’s a matter of fact that it stood for the white man’s supremacy over slaves. Sorry not sorry that most people find that offensive.