MemberThis really is no different than some people liking sushi or whatever kind of food and others finding it gross.
If you wouldn’t get offented by food choices than you shouldn’t get offended by smoking either. If there was a particular comment which offended you then by all means point it out and say why but you can’t just say anyone who thinks it it gross is this this or that
MemberI dont at all. Haven’t in a long time. Fiance does every once in awhile. Maybe, once every 2 months i’d say. Only with his one friend usually so not a big deal.
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As per the debate that it’s used to cover up underlying issues, pretty much everything is. Medications given from psychiatrists, as I mentioned in my other post, biting nails often is associated with nerves and anxiety, again smoking cigarettes is used to help people who are stressed, anxious or upset, even dogs are used as pets to help depression patients and others of the sort (therapy animals) so what’s the difference here? If marijuana should not be allowed than that should also include depression medications, bipolar medications, ADHD medications, anxiety medications, therapy animals, cigarettes, nail biting, and anything else that helps people to feel better.
It’s illegal but the people who NEED and see a NEED for marijuana are working to legalize that. Would you really stand in the way and say “No” to the people who need this? If so would you say no and stand in the way of the people who need psychiatric medications, and say no to the people who need it for a life threatening disease, or epilepsy or need it for the pain they are suffering from an illness every day?
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MemberI also take great issue with people who feel the need to smoke in public/reek of pot smoke on public transit. I don’t need to spend 2+ hours of my day breathing in reeking skunk smoke. Non-smokers’ rights should take priority (with both cigarettes and weed, and alcohol is already tightly regulated in public).
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Memberi tried it once in high school and didnt like it, cause it made my mouth very dry eek ;/ so I never did it again. DH never tried it and never felt like trying it either. So we are both weed free hee hee
MemberInhaling any smoke of ANY variation is harmful to your lungs. I don’t think I’ve ever read a medical report outlining the benfits of marijuana smoke compared to other smoke on the lungs. Smoke is smoke, and it can be harmful. That is not my issue with it, but to say it is completely safe is false. Is it completely 110% safe? No, that is not possible. Is it deadly? Probably not. In the same way, when I was harming myself, I was never going deep enough to kill myself. Was it safe? No. Was it deadly? Could have been, but probably not. If I were to overeat, is it safe? Probably not. Is it deadly? Probably not. Any addiction of any sort is harmful: physically or emotionally, harm is harm. To say that you can’t die from weed so its okay is just like saying I wasn’t cutting myself deep enough to die so its okay. If I were smoking for my issues or cutting, what is the difference? I had deeply embedded issues that had to be dealt with that I would have been MASKING. And that, no matter the form of denial and covering up, is a problem.
It has taken me years to recover from self-harm and cutting was way easier. But I have dealt with my core issues. Instead of dealing with his anger issues and sleeping in abilities, my brother smokes pot. Instead of dealing with his anger and depression, my dad drinks. Instead of dealing with her agoraphobia and depression, my mom drinks. Where is the difference? In all instances, there is an unhealthy reliance on a substance instead of tackling the CORE issue.
Again, as I stated before, I am not against marijuana. Just as I am not against drinking alcohol, I am against them BOTH when they are used as a method of coping or getting through human tribulations.
I know some people suffer from medical disorders and choose marijuana instead of medication. As I said in a previous post, I think thats great. To be completely honest, though, with MANY medical issues, I think that medications are prescibed way too often. In the same way that medications are used far too often, I think pot is used as well.
Again, I am such a believer that many people can harness their own strength and willpower to improve their lives instead of being a slave to substances. We are not such a weak species that any issue requires medication or some kind of substance. Human beings are STRONG, but most people are too lazy or don’t want to take the work to tackle our core issues. That was my problem when I was self-harming!
Some people obviously have a more extreme and embedded medical issue and they are the exception, but I beleive most chronic smokers, drinkers, cutters, and binge-eaters have underlying issues that can be WORKED OUT without relying on their chosen method of coping.
MemberJust wanted to add my two scents to your post, mainly this part.
As someone who spent most of her life dealing with stress on her own, and getting sick and tired of all the medications the doctors have for stress because they made me worse, and stress that could not be helped… A very difficult childhood growing up as so many people out there can relate to… Someone who tries to handle stress on her own, it doesn’t always work.
And an issue with handling stress on your own all the time, especially if it’s a LOT of stress, that’s REALLY bad for you mentally and physically. It can cause you to be ill, it can cause heart attacks, it can cause seizures and it can cause so many other serious medical conditions. Handling your stress on your own isn’t the best idea.
So you go to therapy? Well yeah that can work but therapy doesn’t always “fix” people. It may help but it doesn’t always fic the problem. So instead people should go sit around doing nothing about their stress levels and the threat it has on their health, and ignore the fact that something as simple and harmless as marijuana is out there? Or perhaps they should go get a perscription for an addictive medication with a mile long list of side effects?
The fact is, people need it for things other than medical issues, and the people who use it every day NEED it as much as the girl with the depression on antidepressants who wouldn’t get anything done and would cry all day if she didn’t have her medication. Or the people on benzos for anxiety that have generalize anxiety disorder (or others of the sort) that wouldn’t make it out of their home without their medication. The people on adderol who can’t focus at all during in class and fail because their ADD is effecting them too badly. It’s no different, unless you look at the difference in the harm the substance can do to your body, to which anyone should see marijuana should be the favored choice if it would just be legalized.
MemberIt is crazy how many people smoke it here. And it is legal just across the river so it is very very common. We have both tried it but that was long ago before we were together. Neither of us has used in a long long time.
MemberWithdrawl symptoms from marijuana actually trigger greater anxiety and depression in people who smoke regularly to treat these issues. It masks and re-triggers the problem instead of solving it. I take great issue with the idea that it is a good medicinal fix (and have read the medical studies that back this up, being a scientist myself).
“Withdraw symptoms” are only present in those who don’t wish to give it up, because as you said, the things the marijuana is helping is revealing itself. Same thing would happen to someone who was on anti depressant meds that helped them and they weren’t ready to be taken off but were anyways. Same thing with any other meds that help people. As someone who was a HEAVY smoker, and I mean HEAVY, someone who smoked all day every day and outsmoked everyone around me, when I decided to quit and dindn’t use any more, there were no symptoms there that were not there in the beginning. Only the things that I used the marijuana to fix. Again the same thing as with any medication that you stop when you’re not ready. But there was no craving physically. There was no anger or outburst of any sort that’s seen with legal medication. And no, I’m not a rare case as every pothead I know has stopped at least temporarily at one time or another, and either felt better after stopping, or just felt like they did before they stopped.
I also take great issue with people who feel the need to smoke in public/reek of pot smoke on public transit. I don’t need to spend 2+ hours of my day breathing in reeking skunk smoke. Non-smokers’ rights should take priority (with both cigarettes and weed, and alcohol is already tightly regulated in public).
I don’t think anyone should take priority over anyone else, just because they use something that the other person does not do. It’s already illegal in most, if not all states to smoke indoors as it is a hazard to others health. But outside where you can easily walk away and where the smoke is not hazardous to your health, should not be an issue. So you don’t like the smell? I don’t like the smell of half the people in the world bathed in disgusting cologne or those who haven’t showered in a few days. But does that give me a right to tell them they can’t be around outside because I find the odor offensive? Not hardly.
MemberThats the difference, though; you may have a diagnosed issue and have actively sought medical help for yoru issue before deciding on a preferred method of treatment. My brother does not. He just can’t sleep and has very bad anger issues that he doesn’t care to treat, so he is a slave to his joint. My brother is his reliance on weed to calm down and sleep. In my eyes, it would be better for his life if we could at least discover WHY he has anger issues and sleeping problems and deal with the root of the cause. What if his problems are what caused my depression? Those deeply embedded issues left untreated will not go away over his life; instead, he may just cover it up with more weed or more alcohol or harder drugs.
Handling your stress on your own isn’t the best idea.
You are absolutely right; handling stress on your own isn’t the best idea. Does this justify a reliance on ‘things’, though? I don’t think so. I think it warrants seeking a professional to guide a stressed out individual towards the cause and solution to their problem. Some people have embedded problems that can NEVER be treated, and thats fine and very real, and if weed helps them over another drug then that is great! But I honestly, truely believe that 90% of the anger, stress, anxiety, depression issues that are ‘cured’ by indulgences (pot, alcohol, binge-eating, cutting, etc.) CAN be cured with professional guidance and harnessing the strength in ourselves. Trust me, I never would have believed I could do it. I was cutting and took medication for years. I don’t need anything anymore, and I don’t think that I am such a “supernatural” person that I am one in a million. Many, many people can be free just as I am if they really worked at it.
Some people cannot, and I am not dismissing them or saying they are weak. But I think part of the issue is slapping a medical label on people. It diminishes their mindset that they are strong. I ask my mom why she continues to drink and why she can’t get a job. “I am depressed,” she says. “I can’t do it.” What if no one ever diagnosed her as depressed? I wonder how different she would be. A child I tutor is dyslexic with letters but is a genius with numbers. I tell him to do the math homework before him and say I won’t give him the answer. “But you have to give me the answer,” he says. “I’m dyslexic.” But he’s a genius! He uses his illness as a crutch for WHY he can’t, but I KNOW he can.
Many people become complacent on having a medical issue and feel that they are stuck and not strong enough to TRY and deal with it. But I honestly, deep in my core, believe the majority of people enslaved to SOMETHING (medication, drugs, weed, alcohol, etc.) are stronger than they believe if they seek out professional guidance to take them to a place where they can utilize the strength God gave us!
Is this going to be the answer for everyone? Absolutely not! For those it doesn’t work on, weed is much better than other options. But most people don’t even TRY to tackle their issues because they are complacent with their diagnosis or with the fact that this thing makes them feel better.
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