(Closed) Do you think a dress design is intellectual property?

posted 7 years ago in Dress
  • poll: Do you think dress designs are the property of the owners, and it's unethical to copy them.?
    Yes. It's unethical. The larger-scale knock-off artists would be arrested if they were on US soil. : (65 votes)
    47 %
    Yes. But it's not that big of deal because it's expected. Like downloading music w/o paying. : (24 votes)
    18 %
    No. Replicas aren't identical or labeled as the designer's item. It's quoting, not plagiarizing. : (47 votes)
    34 %
    Something else. (Please explain!) : (1 votes)
    1 %
  • Post # 3
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    Bumble Beekeeper
    • Wedding: September 2011

    Yup… a dress design belongs to the designer, just like a purse design belongs to the designer and most of the knockoffs sold on the streets of NYC are illegal.

    Post # 4
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    994 posts
    Busy bee
    • Wedding: September 2011

    @KatNYC2011: I heard on the news they will be cracking down on BUYERS of illegal purses — I know they already do this in Italy. ie, if you buy a purse off the street (let’s face it, you know it’s not a real Prada) and they search your bags at the airport, it’s $700 if they find it. I heard NYC will be $1000 and possible jail time if the law passes

    Could happen to dresses down the road!

     

    Post # 5
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    500 posts
    Busy bee
    • Wedding: May 2012

    I hate when people buy knock offs.  I don’t think its right at all!!! If you like the dress/bag so much than buy the realthing, if you can’t afford it, look at dresses that are within your budget. It’s so not fair to the designer.

    Post # 6
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    Bee Keeper
    • Wedding: December 2011

    Ehh… I think at some point, its a white fluffy dress. Even in budget brands, there are a lot of dresses that are nearly identical, just with someone else’s name on them. If some dress designers weren’t charging ungodly amounts of money for a dress that can easily be replicated for 1/5 the cost, maybe less people would buy knock-offs.

    And I am also with the camp of people who like how certain designer brands LOOK but could care less whose name is on them. No one but me is going to see the designers label inside my dress so who cares if it says Pnina or Davids Bridal? 

    Post # 6
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    Bee Keeper
    • Wedding: May 2011

    You can’t copyright a design because its almost impossible to prove what you’re doing is truly original. The designer isn’t losing money when people buy knock off Pninas. Those are not her customers and would never buy her dresses otherwise. The bigger problem I have with knockoffs are the conditions under which they are produced (and the fact that Chinatown has become a nightmare when all I want to do is eat soup dumplings at joes shanghai).

    Post # 7
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    500 posts
    Busy bee
    • Wedding: May 2012

    yes I heard this too!! plus it’s not like those knock offs are cheap. They cost about $50 or more bucks. Why not go and get a nine west bag or something with that money??

    Post # 8
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    353 posts
    Helper bee
    • Wedding: September 2011

    I have heard of a lot of people on this site buying knock-offs and linking to the site because they didn’t want the price of a designer gown but wanted the designer look while staying on a budget.

    If they cracked down on the knock-off dresses, many budget brides would be reduced to wearing hand-me-down dresses or pretty cheap generic dresses that wouldn’t look great.  Interesting thought.

    As it stands, I can’t tell the difference between a knock-off and a real designer dress unless I see the tag on it. People would judge the wealth of the bride on her dress, or at least would be able to when they went to the wedding!

    Post # 9
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    633 posts
    Busy bee
    • Wedding: April 2011

    I think a designers ideas, sketches, mock-ups, etc. are theirs and theirs alone. The fashion world has some revolutionary designers who’s styles are iconic and one of a kind. That caliber of design to me is artwork and it’s sad when it’s replicated with cheap materials and half-ass detailing. Knock-offs are unfortunately an inevitable part of fashion, so it’s bound to happen no matter how anyone feels on the subject.

    Post # 10
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    Buzzing bee
    • Wedding: October 2011

    When a designer creates a dress, there is a significant amount of $$ put into it- from the design time, to advertising, and beyond. There is so much that goes into it, it’s not right to steal that and I think a design is 100% intellectual property rights. So does the law, that’s why selling fake purses are illegal in this country.

    I also agree with a PP in that the conditions in which replica dresses are made in are unfair and unethical to the workers.

    I guess I don’t really get why someone would pick out a designer dress and say “Copy this exactly”. It’s never going to look 100% the same, so why not look for a dress that has it’s own beauty? It could be the same shape or beading/lace look as the designer one.

    Post # 11
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    Helper bee
    • Wedding: April 2012

    @Tanya5484: I agree with you 100% You shouldn’t get to steal someone’s intellectual property because you can’t afford it anymore than you should get to steal a Mercedes because you can only afford a Toyota.

    Post # 12
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    2392 posts
    Buzzing bee
    • Wedding: September 2011

    I think that if another designer gets access to the designs before they’re officially released and makes a design based off of those sketches/leaked knowledge, then yes, it’s unethical.  But once a design has been made public, I think reverse-engineering something similar is fine.  It’s not just the online knockoff companies that do it.  David’s Bridal and other lower-priced lines have designs that are based off of designer dresses from earlier collections.  With fashion, once a style becomes big, other companies copy it.

    To some people, it’s worth it to pay designer prices for higher quality materials (especially in wedding dresses, I think a lot of the appeal of the high-end line is that the fabrics and embellishments are much nicer), and to have access to the design before it hits the mainstream.  But for a lot of people, that’s either not possible or not worthwhile.

    Post # 13
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    Bumble Beekeeper
    • Wedding: September 2011

    @Entangled: I think there is a big difference between making a dress “based off” another designers work and actually copying the designers work. That’s why intellectual property laws exist and there are requirements for just how different the “copy” has to be from to the originals to not violate law.

    Many of the knock off bags are actually made at the same factories (from the same patterns) as the real thing so they are exact replicas. I’m sure similar things happen in the over-seas bridal industry. I wouldn’t be surprised if patterns are re-used to make knock-off dresses.

    I do agree on the fabric part though. A knock off dress will most likely not come close to the fabric quality of the original.

    Post # 14
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    Honey bee
    • Wedding: May 2011

    Wedding dresses are in some ways different than other items. #1 the majority of wedding dresses are long and white and made of very similar fabrics. The differences between them lie in honestly pretty small difference in neckline, cut, volume, and decoration.

    To me trying to “crack down” on copied wedding gowns is like arresting someone because their black trousers are knockoffs! In most cases it’s impossible to tell that something relatively generic is a knockoff. So your long white tafetta dress has ruffles in the same place as a long white tafetta dress that costs $10k, so what?

    The beading and fabric are likely not going to be of the same quality and even if they look exactly alike they are not claiming to be from that designer, and they aren’t expecting to be paid the same as the designer. As long as they aren’t scamming people, saying they are real and expecting the same amount I don’t think it’s any issue.

    As a PP said people that buy those gowns aren’t actually lost customers for the designer, because if you’re paying $200 for gown you likely can’t afford or wouldn’t pay $10k

    Post # 15
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    Honey bee
    • Wedding: December 2011

    ahhh, this thread will inevitably start a debate… the subject has been covered here before. I bought a chinese replica, the price was amazing & I sleep just fine at night. Copying designs is all relative, it happens with everything.

    As for other’s opinions on the subject, I respect thier views, but I don’t feel I need to explain or rationalize my choice to anyone. I don’t feel my ethics or morals have been comprimised at all- people who feel differently shouldn’t partake. Just my opinion Innocent

     

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