Post # 114
@Mrs Grape: It’s not like they say it to me. It’s like they will update their Facebook “I have been having a rough time about my moms heart attack. I have to trust in God because God is good.”
That stuff I don’t mind because it’s not being directed to me. I’m annoyed with my atheist and christian friends who debate all day. Like example right now from my friends Facebook page. (she hasn’t updated in a while since her laptop crashed”
“Osama Bin Laden is dead. A chapter in the global war on terror is closed. But as I tweeted moments ago, the real enemy is religious radicalism and we have a long way to go in that war.
Post # 115
Ugh! Weddingbee ate my post. I was saying that the "god is good" thing doesn't bother me because it's not firected towards me. What bothers me is my atheist and christian friends who basically talk about each other all damn day.
Atheist friend last facebook messages:
"Delusional religious people believe the Rapture is tomorrow. They are even playing the 7 signs of the apocalypse (incorrect use of the word) on History. When I wake up on the 22nd, I'm stealing whatever shit you leave behind."
" Osama Bin Laden is dead. A chapter in the global war on terror is closed. But as I tweeted moments ago, the real enemy is religious radicalism and we have a long way to go in that war"
From my Christian friend"I say this to all of you! You all need to get praying! When Seriously TroubledTroubles Hit Your Life
The Lord is good, a stronghold in the day of trouble; and he knoweth them that trust in him. Nahum 1:7
We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair; Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed; 2 Corinthians 4:8, 9"
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Post # 117
@Miss Tattoo: Religion should be kept off FB all together. Politics, too!
Post # 118
It doesn’t bother me. I was raised Catholic, and still believe in God, but don’t go to church anymore. However, my soon-to-be fiancé’s father is very religious (born again). He is always bringig his views into conversation, but now I am used to it. He identifies as a Christian, and a strong believer, so why should he conceal that aspect of himself? It can get annoying though…
Post # 119
@Miss Tattoo: wow, I would hate to be on the receiving end of your friends athiest wrath! How rude!
I always say “bless you” to be polite. I actually think it’s really rude when people don’t say it.
@tee22: I’m with you on that one… It’s no different. That said, I don’t mind if someone I care about says that they will pray for me and whatever situation I am in, liike you said it just shows that they care. It’s the random people who come up and say you need to be saved so they will pray for you that will piss me right off. 😉
Ps. Funny side note, I had some mormon recruiters (long hair, no makeup, long skirts and high collared shirts and everything) walking down the street when i was a cocktail waitress at FI’s bar and I was walking out to my car to grab my jeans in my cut up (revealing) top and a short skirt that I just threw on so I could go outside to get my pants and they looked at me like I was a street walker and was going to be damned to hell! I laughed a little to myself as they gave me their card and told me about their service. They seriously wanted to save me. lol
Post # 120
I think my post got eaten by weddingbee. 🙁
Post # 121
If someone said something like in the OP (“Jesus will guide you…”) it would take everything in me to not throw a smartass remark back at them. Religious talk pointed towards me makes me…not uncomfortable, because it’s not as if I feel threatened, but “mad” would be a good way to put it. How dare they condescend to me and insinuate that I’m incapable of choosing/finding my own path?
Case in point: At my SO’s graduation (from a large public university, mind you) a few weeks ago we were at his department’s smaller ceremony, and to begin the speeches some guy takes the podium and says, “Because we are a Christian nation, let us start by saying a prayer,” and went on to thank god for all the graduates getting to where they are. I was seeing red I was so angry, and SO (an atheist like myself) was squirming in his seat too. I seriously considered either getting up and leaving, or saying something out loud to the effect of, “We’re not a Christian nation by any stretch of the word, and I think these grads achieved these things themselves through their own hard work and their own intelligence.”
Then, at the school-wide commencemet ceremony there was a priest present and he opened the ceremony with ANOTHER prayer thanking god for all the achievements of the group sitting in front of him. WHAT.
Another case in point: At holiday meals (not just religious holidays but Thanksgiving, Mother’s Day, 4th of July, etc. etc.) my SO’s dad says these huge long drawn-out prayers over dinner before we eat. He says stuff like “We’d like to thank you, Lord, for providing us with this food and this meal,” and I always think, “No, the farmers and the earth provided you with the food, and your freaking wife provided you with this meal. If anything you should be thanking them!”
I guess basically I hate it when people thank or blame religious figures for things other people achieved or did wrong, or insinuate that a religious figure knows better than someone about that person’s own life.
Post # 122
@UpstateCait: I agree with you. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and with that, everyone should respect other people’s opinions. I am agnostic and just as I don’t like other religions shoving their opinions and beliefs on me, I don’t put my beliefs on others. I wish more people were like that. There would be a lot less problems if other people just respected each other.
Post # 123
@kingytobe: I think 2ndtimeacharm meant the history of Christianity as a religion, not individual Christians as a whole. At least, that was how I read it.
Post # 124
@Kant: That would be annoying to me too, if a public university had Christian prayers at the graduation. How could they not figure out that is offensive, to both atheists, and the people of all other religions?
Post # 125
@Kant: I guess basically I hate it when people thank or blame religious figures for things other people achieved or did wrong, or insinuate that a religious figure knows better than someone about that person’s own life.
Exactly. I don’t believe that a religious figure should be given the credit when someone achieves something and not receive any criticism if they fail. For example, if I pass my test I should say “thank you god for blessing me with the knowledge to pass this test” but if I fail I can’t say “I hate you god for making me dumb”? I know that is an extreme example but I hope someone sees the point in it.
Post # 126
Ok I guess WB did not, in fact, eat my post, it just didn’t show up until now. Damn.
Post # 127
I don’t think people should assume people are Christian or any religion for that matter without knowing- but I think that there is nothing wrong with people discussing their beliefs as long as no one is pushing it on someone who isn’t interested. My problem is that atheists (especially ones I come across in day to day life here in the UK- with the UK being very atheist on the whole) can be so agressive about their beliefs or indeed, lack of beliefs. People can be very negative about Catholicism as well which I find amazing- the way people will attack my beliefs and my faith but refuse to allow you to have your say on the matter. Especially out of no where. I’d never do that to someone about their belief system!
People shouldn’t have to disguise their beliefs or keep them out of conversation- it shapes who we are, we have every right to talk about faith. I also don’t understand why people would be offended by people discussing their beliefs unless they are doing so to critisice a person when it’s not their place (about how they live their lives etc).
If atheists are allowed to be open about their viewpoints so should people of faith, whatever that faith may be. In the UK the ‘politically correct brigade’ are ruining this country in my opinion. Children are no longer allowed to act out the traditional school nativity play for fear of offending people, some places aren’t allowed to hang christmas decorations etc. People have been suspended from British Airways for wearing a small cross to work (other necklaces allowed just not the cross or any Christian symbol). It’s not only unfair but it’s plain stupid. We all have the right to show our beliefs- as long as we are able to respect those beliefs and accept we are all different!
Post # 128
@kingytobe: Well, I didn’t mean to offend, so I apologize if that seemed to be my intent. What I meant is that throughout history, Christianity (along with some other religions) is associated with those things. It’s a plain fact that many people have died, wars have been fought, etc. all in the name of religion.
But no, not all Christian (or Muslims, Jews, etc.) are violent, full of hate, ignorance and judgement. They hypocrisy really, really bothers me though and I see this in several groups of so-called-Christians. God does not hate fags (at least as far as I know). A doctor who performs a perfectly legal abortion should not be shot and killed. Jesus (if he were alive) would love and accept all humanity with its flaws, not gun them down or judge them. I know that these are fringe groups and not the majority, but I can’t help but associate the two in my mind. And I won’t even get started on the Muslim faith. No, not opening that can of worms. lol
Anyway, the only religion I can think of (and I’m not a religious scholar by any means) that is peaceful, non-hypoctitical and accepting of all is Buddhism. Try and find a Buddhist who has bombed an abortion clinic or picketed a military funeral. Find me a Buddhist who rails against homosexuality and then is caught in a men’s room soliciting sex from another man. In fact, find me a Buddhist who prosthelytizes and pushes his/her religion on other people. Find me a Buddhist who has gathered an army and killed and prosecuted those who did not have the same beliefs.
Really, the whole basic tennant is being mindful. Mindful of your thoughts and actions and how they will affect others in this world. It’s about right thinking, which if practiced can help you operate from a place free of fear (and I do think (and I do think that Christianity and other religions foster fear, ignorance and guilt). Buddhism is inclusive and not exclusive. And my long-winded point is this: if we studied some of these ideas and applied them to our lives, we might be better off as a society. Just my opinion, of course:)