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Washington was struggling to contain one of the most explosive national security leaks in US history on Monday, as public criticism grew of the sweeping surveillance state revealed by whistleblower Edward Snowden.
Political opinion was split, with some members of Congress calling for the immediate extradition of a man they consider a “defector” but other senior politicians from both parties questioning whether US surveillance practices had gone too far by collecting records of billions of American phone calls and internet records.
So what do you think Bees? Hero or traitor?
Post # 4
Hero. Others need to open up about the crimes that they do.
Post # 5
I’m torn, so I’m really interested to see what others have to say. On the one hand, it does seem pretty invasive of the government to collect people’s personal phone records. On the other hand, as far as we know at this point, they do not have actual transcripts of conversations or texts, just number of phone calls, length of phone calls, etc. Personally, I don’t really care who knows which numbers I’ve been calling and how long my phone calls are, but I can see why people would. But then in this age of terrorism and technology, I do think that in order to keep us safe the government will have to do things that need to be kept secret. By releasing this information, I can see how that could cause problems, especially because it lets potential terrorists know details about how US intelligence operates. But then this sort of falls under the difficult balance of privacy and freedom vs. protection and safety.
As you can tell…I’m conflicted, haha.
Post # 6
TRAITOR. The PATRIOT Act was once very popular with the American public. But somehow when “immediate” danger has not affected the general public, now it’s an invasion of privacy. Class action lawsuits? I’d rather be protected from terrorists than fear the government knows who I’ve called in the past year.
Post # 7
I’d call him a hero over traitor any day. He’s a hero to the civilians and a traitor to the government, with how corrupt our government is nowadays we need more like him.
ETA there is a fine line between protecting us from terrorists and invading privacy. Even if it was the day after 911 I would not feel comfortable knowing the government could tap and record our phone conversations without a warrant, this only opend the door to more invasion of privacy. Eventually this wont be enough and they will continue bridging the gap until we have no right to privacy at all IMO
Post # 8
I say hero.
It’s disturbing how invasive the Obama administration has become. I don’t get how Dems (including Obama) were against the Patriot Act yet stand by as Obama expands it.
Post # 9
@Bazingau: Right? Who gives a crap about the 4th amendemnt.
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@MrsNewBride427: But that’s the thing…they didn’t wiretap. They looked at phone records. No actual conversations were listened, recorded, or transcribed.
Post # 11
I do think the reaction to the “news” of the surveillance progams (I put news in quotes because it’s not exactly brand new information, given that this type of thing began under the Bush administration) has been interesting. It really speaks to the hypocrisy of politicians across the board because Republicans and Democrats have basically switched opinions on this type of program based on which party was in the White House: http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2013/06/11/18900012-us-majority-backs-nsa-surveillance
Post # 12
No one cares about what you had for dinner. They are not listening to conversations with aunt Sally.
On a personal note, the people that I know that were the most vocal that the gov’t wasn’t protecting us after major incidents (9/11, Boston, etc.) are the same ones crying the most now. You can’t have it both ways. I think people have been watching too much tv if they think the gov. is that interested in their personal lives.
A funny quote from a friend last night…”Don’t want the NSA to listen to your phone calls? Don’t be a terrorist.”
Post # 13
@Bazingau: That was my understanding, too. That literally they were looking at records of phone numbers called. I don’t personally see what the big deal is with that. It may be a bit invasive, but if the intent is good and it’s necessary for protection then so be it. I don’t do any shady shit, so I could care less if they were listening to every phone call I had and every text I sent. My guess is the government doesn’t give a shit about my conversations. If they were sweeping calls and texts, etc. they are going to be looking for keywords to hone in on, not reading through every single message you’ve ever sent to your boyfriend.
I don’t really see what good him leaking the information does. Sure, I didn’t know that the government was doing that before hand, but I also wasn’t shock to heard that they do.
Post # 14
@MrsWBS: Exactly. And do people really think they would even have the time to read in-depth phone conversations of MILLIONS of citizens? Be logical, people!
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Whil e I have only read a little bit about this, I do find it disturbing the things the government and certain goverment agencies cann do with little to no oversite and NO accountability to the people they govern. That is how legal governments crossover into tyranny.
It all reminds me of that will smith movie “Enemy of the state”, it was pre 9/11 and patriot act but suddenly after that the stuff from the suspense thriller is reality.
I think it was very wise of him to make himself known publicly, because (I swear I am not a crazy anti gov’t conspiracy theorist) it makes it a lot more difficult for him to just…. disappear, whcih frankly after the things that have come out that happen to “terrorists” wouldn’t surprise me.
In a time that is more like Brave New World and 1984 than the founding fathers ever could have imagined, I think the line between hero and traitor is not so clear as it once was. After all, Big Brother is watching.