(Closed) Evolution vs. God

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Post # 17
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Honey bee
  • Wedding: October 2013

As far as bible goes … no offense to anyone but I think it was created to control people

 

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@Aelie:  totally agree.

 

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Busy bee
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@Bridey77:  

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@adoc86:  

Me too! I hate that everyone assumes you can only believe one or the other and that’s simply not the case. In fact, one of my biggest christian friends (she’s homeschooling her children because she doesn’t like the public school system and wants to involve God in their education) is super excited about going to see Neil deGrasse Tyson speak in Feb. like legit stoked, we’re both going and obviously we’re both Christian so it’s apparent the two are not mutually exclusive. FYI, I didn’t bother watching the video because from the comments I can tell it would just make me angry.

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Helper bee
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@gingernutjo:  Totally agree with you on everything but we can see evolution happening in microorganisms. That’s something people seem to forget when the evolution discrussion comes up.

A person who takes antibiotics is “selecting” for bacteria that is resistant to the antibiotic by chance, that bacteria proliferates further, and hence we have multi-drug resistant bacteria now. 

 

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14094-bacteria-make-major-evolutionary-shift-in-the-lab.html#.UgmtB5K1GYs

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Bumble bee
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Kirk Cameron? That’s really all I need to know. I’ve seen enough of that guy’s quackery over the years. He’s been laughed out of debates in previous years, and rightfully so. For giggles, I watched, but that’s exactly what happened; I giggled.

I don’t think that Creationism and evolution must be at odds with one another. Evolution is a ‘theory’ as much as gravity is a ‘theory’ – we don’t question gravity like we question evolution. It has been observed in lab settings with bacteria. The flu? It evolves. We accept those as facts but give a haughty headshake at the evolutionary record of humans dating from Australopithecus.

We still evolve. What we call ‘birth defects’ are evolution. If they’re advantageous, more people might be born with those traits in the future. If the trait does not put someone at an advantage, they may not live long enough to breed much, at all, or they may be totally incapable of passing the traits on because of the defect.

One of the big theories about the increase in C-sections? Evolution. More women with narrow hips – women who would otherwise struggle or die in labor – are surviving because of C-sections. No surprise…they pass those same traits onto those daughters. Now more narrow-hipped ladies are growing up and having kids than in generations past.

I can’t respect someone who chooses to mire themselves in ignorance. People like Kirk Cameron are no different. This is someone who is so insecure in his faith that he makes blind accusations and clings to falsehoods about science and evolution. I’d imagine because he’s afraid that if he probes into it, he may convince himself of something he fears.

All I ask that most people do is question. Ask questions. If you still believe in God, that’s your business. But there’s something markedly frightening about people in their 20s, 30s and beyond who are adamantly against opposing anything they were taught, even giving themselves a moment’s reprieve to absorb what it means. You only get one life – may as well think through how you may have gotten here and what sorts of rules you do or don’t want to live by.

 

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Buzzing Beekeeper
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@CrazyCatLady13:  +1

Post # 22
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Sugar Beekeeper
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SCIENCE IS NOT RELIGION.

I have no idea why people insist on comingling them.

I am a scientist (with a graduate degree where I studied the evolution of iron metabolism in oceanic bacteria). Evolution is visible in every living thing around us. It is as basic a concept as gravity (which is also a theory, btw), and it is as well supported and studied. It’s written into our DNA, and into the fossil record.

Evolution happens on a GENERATIONAL level. No one person can themselves evolve….it happens between generations.

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Sugar Beekeeper
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@CookieCreamCakes:  “I can’t respect someone who chooses to mire themselves in ignorance. People like Kirk Cameron are no different. This is someone who is so insecure in his faith that he makes blind accusations and clings to falsehoods about science and evolution. I’d imagine because he’s afraid that if he probes into it, he may convince himself of something he fears.”

YES.

Post # 24
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Bee Keeper
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I’m a Christian and a major science nerd. I don’tl think science and God are at odds and many scientists who made great discoveries were also religious,  both Christian and one cannot discount all the amazing stuff,  especially in medicine Muslim and Jewish physicians discovered. I can’t watch the video at work, I will later to comment specifically. I do have to save an eye roll for “young earth” Christians, I cannot believe God would make things like the fossil record to “test our faith” and be, for a lack of better word,  fake. I see science as an incredible testiment to the power of God,  not something to be afraid of,  if your faith is so weak a little science shakes it,  it wasn’t much faith to begin with. 

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Sugar bee
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@housebee:  Absolutely.

I once attended a lecture while in grad school where the speaker pointed out that most religions creation stories actually describe the SEQUENCE of evolution perfectly  and that none of the creation stories state that it was done in 6 EARTH days. A very interesting observation! Exactly how would one explain evolution to people who never saw fossils, did not understand comparative anatomy, much less such things as shared DNA sequences, proteins, etc.?

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@adoc86:  Yeah, the dinosaurs on the ark thing REALLY irritates me. I mean come on……no one is going to take your testimony seriously when you are throwing out theories that elementary school kids can pick apart. I think the best part of that argument was when someone told me “what you don’t understand is that it makes sense because they were baby dinosaurs” okay……so essentially you can make the story of the ark into a Flintstone’s episode? And we wonder why no one takes us seriously.

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Honey bee
  • Wedding: August 2013

I like cupcakes 🙂

Post # 28
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Busy bee
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@crayfish:  Just a question, and I guess I could Google it.. however wouldn’t the Theory of Gravity be a law and not a theory, considering it can be tested anywhere on the planet and the outcome always comes out the same (you’ll never go spinning off into space no matter your location thanks to gravity). Just a question. 🙂

Post # 29
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Honey bee
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“what you don’t understand is that it makes sense because they were babydinosaurs”

 

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@Bridey77:  you have got to be kidding me. When someone starts spewing out that crap then you know its truly a pointless conversation.

Post # 30
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Bumble bee
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You can actually have both.

Best book I ever read on the subject in college was Can a Darwinian be a Christian?

eeeets good.

Post # 31
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Bumble bee

HAHA I laughed out loud when I saw Kirk Cameron was tied to this… I want to barf from embarassment for the people who put this together to make atheists look dumb. Trying to make atheists afraid of a god they don’t believe in “If you don’t follow god, you’ll go to hell”…. hahahah, except if you don’t believe in god there’s no hell to be afraid of.

You can see the people being interviewed holding back their laughter.

This is a ridiculous video. The guy asking for observable evidence about evoltion which does exist (in the fossil record and preserved cadavers) but keeps telling people they’re wrong, what a moron. Religion is belief without observation… science is based on experimentation and observations. These two things are different.

I’d like to know how educated these interviewers are about things other than creationism. To have a firm belief in something it’s important to be aware of opposing viewpoints so you don’t trap yourself into closemindedness and naivety. 

If anything this video just makes Christians who don’t accept evolution look ignorant and intolerant of those with belief in scientific evidence.

It’s also pretty obvious that the interviewer doesn’t know what survivor of the fittest means…

I don’t personally know any creationists, I grew up in the Catholic church and the Catholic church recognizes Theistic evolutionism. I am atheist but when I still believed in a higher power I thought it was just some power that started with one species and decided to see what happened with little changes happening frequently over a long period of time. I am a nanny now and 90% of the families I’ve worked for are Judeo Christian and I always use the theistic evolutionism story when they ask about aliens, other animals etc…

this is what I say…

“Imagine you are born and you only have one toy. Do you want that toy to be the same your whole life or to change and grow? And if you figure out a way to make more toys do you? Then do you allow all of your toys to develop? Eventually you might have an overwhelming amount of toys, so some may get let alone and others may get the majority of your attention and thrive more than the others around it.”

What gets me the most is the interviewers vendetta to make atheists look ignorant – the atheists questioned never bashed creationism and it makes the interviewers are ignorant and intolerant of the beliefs of atheists.

 

LIVE AND LET LIVE- stop trying to make those with different beliefs look stupid.

I’m sorry but I just saw the end, “Evolution requires faith, blah blah….” proceeds to bash faith… which is a fundamental part of religion if I’m not mistaken…. what? These people are ridiculous. So much hypocrasy in this video it’s making me feel dumber.

 

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