Post # 32
@Bridey77: There are alot of Christians who will disagree or possibly flame me for this, but I don’t think you have to not believe in evolution to be a Christian
I consider myself a Christian and I absolutely believe in evolution. I don’t take everything the bible as some factual play by play. You have to use your “God” given common sense sometimes. And in the same breath there are many things that good old science can’t not explain. I think here is a healthy middle ground.
Post # 33
So this is where the dog vs. human question came from 😛
Anyhow. The video is funny. I’ve had the unfortunate opportunity to encounter many of these individuals who start asking me questions about god/jesus/bible, and have a whole suite of ‘sources’ and scripts to read from, but I am supposed to know everything off the top of my head. Just like many of the interviewees here, I can barely hold back my laughter.
There a lot of questions I have for science, but nearly not as many questions/doubts as I have for biblethumpers.
It’s like a cult, what are you trying to get followers? Does my immoral lifestyle hinder your chances of going to heaven? NO? Alrighty then, good day to you.
Post # 34
Micro-evolution ( observable changes in bacteria, for example ) cannot be used as 100% sound evidence for macro-evolution. The two are not the same thing. The very definition of science is observable and repeatable results. Thus, it does require faith to believe in evolution, even if the data strongly suggests to evolutionary scientists that it is a fact.
That is the bottom line. I also find it interesting that atheists like to say that religion is mind control or makes the masses feel better or that creation scientists are laughable, or those who do not accept evolution as firm fact are ignorant, but they ask for respectful tolerance of their disbelief in intelligent design. God cannot be disproved. The belief that there is no God, much like evolution, requires faith. Atheism is not the absence of religion. Atheism is a religion based upon the absence of God.
Post # 35
Atheism is not a religion. It does not have clearly defined rules, or a philosphy to live by. It is a disbelief in the existance of god(s)…and that is all atheists have in common.
Post # 36
Atheists ask for respectful tolerance from Christians, and Christians ask for respectful tolerance from atheists. It doesn’t seem like either side really gets what they’re asking for.
Post # 37
It requires faith. That’s what all atheists have in common with every religion on this planet.
Post # 38
Yes, gravity is a law and evolution is a theory. In science, a law and a theory are completley different and you cannot compare the two, one is not more correct than another. A law predicts the outcome under a given circumstance, ex: two bodies of mass will exert an attractive force equal to the inverse square of the distance between them = gravity. Theories explain facts and are well supported by research (they are not a hunch or best guess), ex: things we see in anatomy, physiology, genetics, allopatric speciation, sympatric speciation, convergent evolution, divergent evolution are all explained by the theory of evolution via natural selection.
There was a thread a few months ago where people were shocked that friends and co workers didn’t know what apartheid is, but I am just as shocked that many people do not understand the basic concepts of science.
If a person wants to belive that their god works through evolution, that’s fine with me. But to blindly say evolution cannot happen because it is against your faith and you have not taken the time to truely learn and understand the facts I don’t think you have enough information to form an opinion.
Post # 39
Again, I have to respectfully disagree. There is no faith required to not believe
in the existance of something.
I am not trying to tell you what your belief system is or is not
Post # 40
Atheism does not require faith. In fact, it is the lack
of faith in a higher power.
Atheism is a belief, yes. A religion, no.
Post # 41
I just want to cast my stone of thought, and hopefully not cause any ripples.
My Religious and Non-Religious beliefs are too long for one text post so I thought I’d just add the way I think about things.
Firstly I want to say I am very interested in Mythology and Polytheism (which is the belief in Multiple God/dess’ which you see primarly in Mythology and Ancient Pantheons of Gods such as the Roman’s and the Greeks).
There was an advert on UK TV a couple of years ago advertising a science programme about The Big Bang Theory with a young-ish scientist who I cannot remember the name of. In the advertisment he said something to the effect of ‘Everything we know was born out of a dying star’. In most Ancient Mythology the Goddess is heavily assosiated with the Night Sky, the Moon and the Stars. So Mythologically speaking that’s like saying we all came from the Mother.
And I don’t know I just kind of thought that was really lovely, and I just wanted to share that idea with you all.
Post # 42
@Birdee106: I don’t believe in god, but my father believes that only god could have been clever enough to come up with something like evolution. (God invented evolution, so they’re not mutually exclusive.) Just saying you can be religious and still not ignore the reality of evolution. (It’s not just a theory…. we’ve SEEN it happen in real time, just not in humans.)
As far as beliving in macro-evolution, it doesn’t require faith, because there is considerable evidence to suggest it. Those who live an evidence-based life tend to “believe” whatever is best supported by evidence, and then change their “belief” if evidence comes to light that contradicts that position. That’s what makes an evidence based life so great – you arent dogmatically attached to outmoded ideas, because you update your thinking with whatever is most empirically likely now.
Neil deGrasse Tyson once said, the great thing about science is it’s true whether you believe it or not.
Post # 43
LOVE NdGT, he’s so rad.
Atheist here, atheists do not have faith there is no God, it is just a belief, not a religion.
Also the “well you can’t disprove it!” argument is so weak, come on. I can’t disprove there is an invisible unicorn who follows me around the house, so there is/imight be one!!
Post # 44
I have always loved mythology, but the thing is, who gets to determine what is religion and what is mythology? Thousands of years ago people believed in their religions just as much as people today believe in theirs, until someone else came along with a new idea (usually accompanied by violence). So who is to say in a few decades, centuries, whatever, today’s religions won’t be taught as mythology because something else came along? Maybe in a thousand years we will all be Scientologists and teaching Christianity as myth…
Post # 45
I kinda just like Mythology for it’s stories, in my opinion Christianity is just another Mythology. I don’t think that they should be taken literally.
Post # 46
I believe in God and evolution. Believing in a god doesn’t necessarily mean you believe in Jesus and Moses and all that. I’m more of a practicing buddhist, scientist with a twist of religiousness. I love it all. Why not?