(Closed) Evolution vs. God

posted 6 years ago in Christian
Post # 47
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Sugar bee
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@MsW-to-MrsM:  atheism doesn’t require faith. i don’t believe in god because nothing indicates that there is a god, just like nothing indicates that santa claus is real or that fairies live in the woods of North Carolina. when something proves it i’ll believe it.

Post # 48
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Helper bee
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@CrazyCatLady13:  Yeah I know, but that’s why I said “see” because most people don’t think about microorganisms beyond calling them germs. In my experience most people are still confused about the differences between bacteria, fungi and viruses.

I’m a biochemist so I’m familiar with the topic of drug resistant bacteria. It’s a real problem that people seem to be ignoring. 

Post # 49
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Helper bee
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I have to comment to the people that are saying science and religion are not at odds. I think they are. At their very foundations they based on two opposing principles. Religions asks you to have FAITH and believe what you are told or what you “feel”, without any evidence. Science on the other had tells you to question everything and take nothing on faith, all assurtions must be based on significant EVIDENCE. Conclusions and theories are modified based on new evidence, whereas religion asked you to remain a believer no matter what might “test your faith”. 

I think that scientists that are religious must compartmentalize their life in a significant way. They cannot be applying the same principles from their work to their religious life and to me that just doesn’t make sense. Belief in a higher power seems like a way to explain what we don’t understand and we don’t need this anymore as we can strive to gain an understanding of the universe around us and do not need to write stuff off to “magic” anymore.

I think religious presists because it’s taught at a young age when the brain is in a state to learn a lot of things without questioning, and it becomes ingrained. I also think that science education is so bad that a lot of people do not have an understanding of the basic concepts, so they find it hard to understand a believe the more complex ideas. A lot of these things are not intuitive. I also think there is a lot of fear of their not being an afterlife. It’s kind of a scary idea that there is no life after death and that your consciousness just ends. But there is no evidence that anything else occurs and only religious offers some comfort to people that don’t want to accept this. 

Post # 50
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Bumble Beekeeper
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@gingernutjo:  I think it’d be interesting to see how many people would actually be religious if people couldn’t preach to someone under the age of 18….I’m guessing the number would be low.

Post # 51
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Sugar bee
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@Bridey77:  Agreed 100% God’s example of one day is very different than our timeline of one day as well. I couldnt agree more with your stance and I was a science major too. The rabbit hole of science never ends the complexity left me in wonder and brought me closer to god.

 

@pixiecat:  I believe that god works through evolution. I believe our concept of time is different than his. No masterpiece was made with one prototype, and I believe evolution shows prior prototypes. Just my feelings and I was a science major 🙂

Post # 52
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Sugar bee
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@housebee:  I went to church very little as a youth. MY grandmother took me a handful of times, my mother took me, and I was baptised then she quit taking me. I went with a friend when I got older for a while. I struggled with religion for a long time with how the church I was raised in, and others behaved. I’m 32 now and converting to Latter Days Saints, after privately being religious for years. Religion wasnt something inflicted on me as a child, it was something I saw a passing glace of, ran from and then finally made my peace with. I just never found a denomination that fit my personal beliefs until the current church I’ve been attending. So I think its a matter of not how you were raised but what you see with your heart. I was a science major and it really reaffirmed my belief in god not pushed it away.

Post # 53
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Sugar bee
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@gingernutjo:  There is a growing number of scientists that believe in cognition after death. The things that make me religious and believe in god do not have to do with what was taught to me as a child, but rather by experiences as an adult with god. You either have that relationship with god or you dont. It is not something that can be explained to a person who hasnt been touched by that. I do know that it has changed my life for the better though and made me a better human.

Post # 54
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Bumble Beekeeper
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@dewingedpixie:  Right, but you were still raised with it, which isn’t what I’m talking about (i.e never baptized, never set foot in a church).  Understand that I’m not saying there wouldn’t be people that are religious, I just think the number would be much lower.

Post # 55
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Sugar bee
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@gingernutjo:  agreed. I forget who it was who described it this way to me, but if we consider everything in life as a brick wall, and things we don’t understand/know are the empty spaces that we explain with “god does it” or “it is that way because of god”, as science and knowledge advances we fill in those holes with bricks.  One day, we may fill in all the holes, and “explain” god away.  

Post # 56
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Bee Keeper

@gingernutjo:  Its kind of off topic, but I work in health care, and the super bugs scare the crap out of me. MRSA, VRE…whats next? In the last 18 years, I’ve seen C-diff infections go from something that could be treated with a single course of flagyl to something that people end up on dialysis for because the multple rounds of IV vanco burned out their kidneys.

Post # 57
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: October 2013

@dewingedpixie:  The key word in your answer is believe. You believe that god works though evolution because you want to tie together two disperate philosophies. It’s not based on any evidence. That’s your life choice, but I don’t see how you can choose to believe something things arbitarily, but study or work in science where you don’t believe anything without seeing evidence of it first. It’s applying one set of reasoning to your work/study and a completely different set of reasoning to your “faith”. What’s the justification for switching except that you want to?  

Post # 58
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Helper bee
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@dewingedpixie:  I’ve yet to see anything about this in a reputable journal. Can you link to an article or provide a reference please? 

Post # 59
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Helper bee
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@bebero:  Yep, me too. If someone can present some good emperical evidence of a god/gods I’ll adjust my opinions. 

Interesting thought though, if there is a god that created us and tells us how to live etc, why do we accept that we should bow down and worship? Taking the christian god as an example, he/it would seem to be an evil tyrant. Why create humans in a certain way and then set some rules that go against our very nature? Then if we fail to conform, or live up to standars or believe we are punished in hell FOREVER! If we could prove that this creature existed, really I think we should start a plan to rebel or overthrow, or be at war with, as it would seem we were being ruled by a terrible tyranical overlord. Or is that just me? 

Post # 60
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Sugar bee
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@gingernutjo:  LOL. I agree. I don’t buy the “love of god” thing. if you love me let me do my thing!

Post # 61
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: October 2014 - Disney

@gingernutjo:  I dont feel the need to explain my reasoning as it is highly personal to the extent that its something I dont descuss it with anyone except my husband.

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